LaynexSiren's DWC White Widow Fem Photo Grow, 2021

Laynexsiren

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Hello everyone,
After some expert assistance with my initial post and prompting for this, I've decided to start logging my grow journal here. This is my first grow in over a decade, and my budget and poor enviro conditions in the past led to poor yields, so I'm hoping to up the game here now.

I'm doing a basement tent grow. Almost all setup components were purchased from HTG Supply. Here's the basics of my rig:
40" x 40" x 7' Agro Grow tent
HTG Supply LED grow light, 320w, 4 fixture
196cfm fan with carbon filter
Two stationary 6" fans, placed high- and mid-tent
6" oscillating fan placed at base of plants
Exhale co² bag (not using exhaust fan or carbon filter currently to encourage co² growth)
Settable 1gal humidifier
Settable ceramic heater
Dual bucket DWC system purchased from PA Hydroponics (buckets, air pump, air line, air stones, 6" mesh pots, hydroton, rockwool cubes)
Philips LED light bulb in a typical clamp light used for germination
Using city water run through an inline hose carbon filter designed for campers and pools, ppm of water is 80 after filter
Nutrients:
Armor Si (from General Hydroponics?)
Botanicare CalMag
Cyco Platinum series nutrients
-Grow A & B
-Bloom A & B
-Cyco Zyme
-Ryzo Fuel

I'm currently on day 19 of my grow. Counting from when I initially wet the seeds.

To start, I soaked my seeds in 5.8pH water and soaked my rockwool cubes in 4.0pH until my runoff was around 5.5pH from the cubes. My seeds are from Grow King Seeds, doing 2 plants in this grow. After a few hours in the water, I placed the seeds in the rockwool in a 4" tray very wet but not soaked, stuck the tray in a 1gal ziploc, and placed in the dark tent with a heater keeping it around 75°. Sprayed with water periodically to keep humidity up. On day 6, both plants had emerged from the cubes. I left them in the bag but put the clamp light directly over them, about 4" away. Named them A and B for simplicity. A shed its shell with no issue, B lost the shell but the inner seed membrane was stuck around the cotyledon leaves. By day 8 my investigation showed that B would die if I didn't intervene, and I was able to manually remove the membrane. The cotyledon leaves were totally yellow and soggy, as were the very tips of the first true leaves forming. I think this stunted her badly.

Day 10- even with the damage on B, both plants were popping roots out of the rockwool, so I decided to place them in my buckets. I overfilled to 15L of water to get food to the plants and used Armor Si, CalMag, Grow A & B, and Cyco Zyme to get ppm to 400. Turned on my grow light @ 32" on an 18/6 schedule. Top fed 2x a day through day 16. pH fluctuation surprised me, checked the first time at day 13 and was at 7.0, so I corrected and started checking daily. By day 15, A was reaching down into the water well and B was getting close with a single root. B looked rough still, causing me to get on here initially. I was still using a heater to keep the tent around 71° at night through day 18. Humidity had been set around 50%.

Day 18 (yesterday) - I did my first bucket change (doing them weekly) and noticed that I had seen my water temp close to 75° and there was "slickness" on the bucket walls and air line. Chose to stop using the heater at night to allow water to cool and discourage algae growth. Tent gets to 64° at night without heat. I raised the humidity to 75% after seeing a VPD chart from @Rexer . Here's my current bucket setup:
12.5L water
4ml Si
8ml calmag
12ml each of Grow A & B
8ml Zyme
Total ppm 500
pH @ 5.5

Day 19 - within 12 hours, pH had crept up to 6.6 in both buckets. I corrected back down to 5.5. A now has multiple happy roots deep in the bucket and B still only has 1, but it's getting longer. I've already developed a leak in a bucket from PA Hydro, they have the tubes displaying water level on the side. Tightened and cleaned, hopefully that'll stop. Debating buying the HydroBucket instead, as SCROGging is something I'd like to do, but I haven't seen enough about actually using those buckets yet to pull the trigger.

Besides being stunted, B has multiple "bends" in the leaves. Like certain serrations in the leaves curl oddly. I'm seeing it a small amount in A as well, but nothing like B. Current day cycle temp is 76.8° and humidity is 74%.

I've attached a photo of each of the babies from last night, I'll post more of my operation as I continue to fill this. I feel like it's starting decently for what it is! A is the much bigger of the two!

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I am starting out in DWC as well and would love to follow along. Maybe the insight from another beginner will help? Are you using any Hydroguard or other bennies?
 
Nice start up @Laynexsiren

The slickness on the side of the bucket is a concern. You have those tubes on that setup that let's you see the volume correct? I've never been a fan of those to be honest. I get the Convenience of it, but personally I like zero light touching the nutes and those are light sources in my eyes. Keep your eyes open for anything that you can slide over the blue tubes to block the light.

Aside from that one concern (and who knows, maybe those tubes aren't the source), your off to a fantastic start. Algea hits most hydro growers sooner or later, the key thing is don't let it slide or it will become a battle fast.

Light sources touching or bleeding through materials is the usual culprit for algea.

I'm no pro- and i miss a lot of notifications. But don't be shy to tag or pm me if you ever have concerns!
 
I am not using any hydroguard, though I've heard about it. Just haven't researched it yet!

And yeah, I'm totally open to ideas any time from anyone. It can't hurt to get thoughts and opinions!
Hydroguard,
or
Orca (my personal favorite, but pricey)
or
Root Builder (from Green Planet)

They're pretty much all the same (Orca has a bit more to it). I've used all three and can say they're a very important part of root health.

The commonality is beneficial bacillus bacteria. The idea is enough good bacteria present will not give the bad bacteria a place to latch on to. I won't do a run without it.

@West Hippie has convinced me to try hydrozyme on my next run. What can I say? He gives me root envy ;)
 
How's it going @Laynexsiren

I would enjoy following along and helping you if you need it.
I have grown in water for a few years before I came here.

If you have not grown in DWC you may want to paid attention.

Let's start with the basic, at this point in time don't stress the ambient temp. and humidity.

You need to know what is going on with your water at all time. Check no less than once a day, I normal do a lights on and before lights off. Get the following readings with your ph and ppm meters.

Water temperature You need to keep this around 68 degrees or 20c.
PPM's will change with stages
PH keep it at 5.8 if possible

If you water is over 72 degrees you are invited root rot to set in which in turns cause ph to raise. To help with this Hydro-Guard works for me during ph fluctuations. It's not a cure all, but it helps.

At this stage I think you are on the high side feeding, you may want to back in down to around 300 or so ppm's.

Together we can make this happen and get her ready to scrog.
How big a net do you plan on using?
To make sure; is this a one plan scrog? Multiple strains cause additional issues.

Now what are your questions? or tag me when you have one.

Stay safe, and grow well my friend,

Tok.. :bong:
 
How's it going @Laynexsiren

I would enjoy following along and helping you if you need it.
I have grown in water for a few years before I came here.

If you have not grown in DWC you may want to paid attention.

Let's start with the basic, at this point in time don't stress the ambient temp. and humidity.

You need to know what is going on with your water at all time. Check no less than once a day, I normal do a lights on and before lights off. Get the following readings with your ph and ppm meters.

Water temperature You need to keep this around 68 degrees or 20c.
PPM's will change with stages
PH keep it at 5.8 if possible

If you water is over 72 degrees you are invited root rot to set in which in turns cause ph to raise. To help with this Hydro-Guard works for me during ph fluctuations. It's not a cure all, but it helps.

At this stage I think you are on the high side feeding, you may want to back in down to around 300 or so ppm's.

Together we can make this happen and get her ready to scrog.
How big a net do you plan on using?
To make sure; is this a one plan scrog? Multiple strains cause additional issues.

Now what are your questions? or tag me when you have one.

Stay safe, and grow well my friend,

Tok.. :bong:
Hey Tok,

I am checking ppm and pH daily. I chose to shoot up a little this time because my chart says 850, and I did my first week at 400, or half. Since the plants are a little more hearty now and I am supplementing co², I thought going a little higher than half would be safe. If there's a good argument as to why that's not ideal, I'm definitely all ears!

My water temp is around 68° coming out of the night cycle. Buckets are directly on the concrete, but even so, water temp is creeping towards 75° by the time I check 15 hours into the day cycle. Would some mylar wrapped on the buckets help with that?

I was planning on building a custom SCROG net with pvc and fishing line, designed to be adjustable so I could raise it if needed. I was thinking 4" spacing, but I'm open to ideas there too.

This is one strain, two plants. White widow, thought I'd go with a classic to start.

When you're doing bucket changes, are you bleaching the bucket each time or just wiping it out and refilling? I was thinking that with the HydroBucket, I wouldn't be able to get 100% of the water out and it could cause water to sit in the base and transfer things like algae or bacteria into the fresh reservoir. Seems like there's a con to basically every approach.
 
Orca makes the great white myco too, right? I actually have a can of that from when I thought i was going to start in soil.
Sprinkle a bit on the roots till you can get one of the other products. It'll help your roots, but isn't designed for a hydroponic application. I've used it in hydro, so there won't be any harm, but the benefits won't be as strong as needed (great for soil- somewhat ok in hydro).
 
When you're doing bucket changes, are you bleaching the bucket each time or just wiping it out and refilling? I was thinking that with the HydroBucket, I wouldn't be able to get 100% of the water out and it could cause water to sit in the base and transfer things like algae or bacteria into the fresh reservoir. Seems like there's a con to basically every approach.
If you are using beneficial bacteria (like Hydroguard), then cleaning the bucket and draining 100% is not as important. The idea is that you set up a beneficial colony of bacteria that will keep any bad bacteria from taking over. If you are trying to keep a sterile res, then cleaning and draining becomes much more critical.
 
Day 19 - checked pH both this morning and evening after yesterday's bucket change, it was at 6.3 and 6.1 respectively. Corrected both buckets each time to 5.5, beginning to cup water from the res and put the pH down in there, then pour in. Water temp in both buckets at 73°.

A has even more good roots showing and is developing a thick center stalk, B still only has 1 root in the water and I don't even see more trying to come out of the hydroton yet. B is showing some growth, but it's still miniscule compared to A.

Ppm has raised to 540 in both buckets, so I'm assuming they're using more water than nutes currently. Makes sense considering their age.

Bucket B is still leaking, between the algae exposure and the leaking, I ordered two Hydro Buckets and some Orca as well. I'll seal the small window gaps around my air hoses on the new buckets and hopefully we should be rolling!

Also have a second air pump coming, might as well get two more air stones and run them simultaneously. I ordered it as a backup but no reason they can't both go. If one fails, I still have one rolling.

Photos attached of more of the whole tent and the babies!

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Good call on the second pump+stones. I have two in each bucket as well.
 
Day 35 from seed
Okay, just did a bucket change, LST, and defoliation. Last bucket was at 630 ppm, BARELY saw the first signs of nute burn. This time I dropped it back down to 570, even after including Ryzofuel.
Bucket: 13.2L
Armor Si - 4.25ml
CalMag - 7ml
Great White Orca - 1.5ml
Cyco Grow A - 16ml
Cyco Grow B - 16ml
Cyco Zyme - 8ml
Cyco RyzoFuel - 6.5ml

I'll be honest, I've been in a bad spot mentally and these babies haven't been given the attention they deserve. 10 days since my last bucket change. This post is the before pics, I'll immediately post the after pics in a second post.

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Photos below of after my work this evening.

You can see that A (left) is still way outpacing B (right), but B has recovered nicely from the massive stunting during germination.

I do have one major issue I need help with, y'all. Since I switched to the HydroBucket, my humidity in the tent is sitting at around 85-90%. My humidifier isn't firing AT ALL either. There were literal pools on the floor today and the walls are wet. This isn't so bad during veg, but when I hit flower, I'm screwed with bud rot if I don't have this solved.

As a refresh, I'm running a closed tent system with an ExHale bag supplementing co². 40"² by 7' tent. Do you think it's the holes on the sides of the bucket ports that's causing the reservoir water to evaporate and spike the humidity? I have an exhaust fan I can run, but I don't want to make this an open system and lose my co² benefit. I'll take options if you have them, been debating between a small dehumidifier for the tent or a controller for the exhaust fan, but anything is viable. Thanks everyone!

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