Jon's Second Grow, First Grow Journal, Soil Grow Autos & Photoperiod

The reason I went with my current NL auto was space so I believe they have a purpose. I have a small pocket grow where maximizing yield to space is critical and they seem to fit that bill nicely... I expect to harvest soon ( in week 9 of flower) and will post up my numbers...
 
I just learned something important.

I had the one plant on the off watering cycle from the others and it was up for a drink. So I watered her, but in the process looked real closely at the plants. I made a small mistake that definitely will not happen again. I'm pissed at myself for not noticing it at the time.

When I watered the plants with the first application of the chemical nutes yesterday (and the day before in the case of the one off watering cycle girl), they are so shortly stacked and bushy already that it was hard to water them without dripping here and there on the leaves themselves. I did what I do when I accidentally get plain water on the leaves and see a drop hanging out. I blew it gently off the leaf. I don't want the light to use the water as a lens and fry a hole in the leaf. All good, right?

NOPE. I blew the drop off but didn't wipe the rest off with a wet paper towel or something. This left a residue of the nutrients directly on the leaf in some spots on two of the plants. When the water dried out of it this left a concentrated nutrient spot dried on the leaf. This is not foliar spray concentration and it's too strong by a mile to be used on the leaves. I wouldn't. But even accidentally, you gotta' get it off!!! At this relatively early stage of growth especially!!! Every spot that had a residue of a spot of nutrients I failed to wipe off burned the leaf exactly in that spot. Looks like a tiny little cigarette burn. I knew exactly what it was, you could see the residue. It cost me a couple leaf tips, because I chose to cut it off. I tried wiping it off as it looked like maybe I could but it was impossible. Once it soaked in it was a done deal. Pretty sure it was and just would be a localized thing, ie, no fear of spread or anything, just a screw up. But just in case I cut off a couple tips. No big deal. But lesson learned. I thought I was being careful. Gotta be more careful. More attentive. Etc.

You experienced folks probably know this already but for any newbies, when the plants are in small pots it's real easy to get nute water on them in the process of watering. DON'T DO THIS. And if you do, get it off with plain water IMMEDIATELY.

Lesson learned. Onward.
 
You know The Way, and you follow it J ^5 bruh. You ain't doing all this going without are you? I know that dispensary is so not worth it..but this is
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You know The Way, and you follow it J ^5 bruh. You ain't doing all this going without are you? I know that dispensary is so not worth it..but this is
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Is there someone who smokes daily and grows who could go four months with no weed while they grew? Lmao. If so, that person is not me. I'm smoking Galactic Candy, Strawberry Haze, and Member Berry. I also have a sativa cart - there's a company down here putting real fruit terpenes into regular sativa or indica oil. They are CRAMMING the fruit terps in. So I tried the watermelon cuz I love fruity sativas. Man, it tastes like smoking dried watermelon. EXACTLY and strongly like watermelon. I'm in love with the fruit. Ha! So, NO, I am not going without. Going without. What a concept.
 
Is there someone who smokes daily and grows who could go four months with no weed while they grew? Lmao. If so, that person is not me. I'm smoking Galactic Candy, Strawberry Haze, and Member Berry. I also have a sativa cart - there's a company down here putting real fruit terpenes into regular sativa or indica oil. They are CRAMMING the fruit terps in. So I tried the watermelon cuz I love fruity sativas. Man, it tastes like smoking dried watermelon. EXACTLY and strongly like watermelon. I'm in love with the fruit. Ha! So, NO, I am not going without. Going without. What a concept.
Man that watermelon cart sounds delicious. Such a big fan of watermelon flavored everything over here. Very jealous lol.
 
Man that watermelon cart sounds delicious. Such a big fan of watermelon flavored everything over here. Very jealous lol.
Check it out. If I lived in this state this would be precisely what I'm talking about.
 
Man that watermelon cart sounds delicious. Such a big fan of watermelon flavored everything over here. Very jealous lol.
As far as flavors go, I'm already on my next grow planning. And even though I have enough seeds already to keep me busy for three more grows yet, there's something in terms of flavor/terpene profiles I simply have to try: APPLE. There's a plethora of apple strains coming out lately, kind of a rage. I have yet to see, try or hear about anyone who has experienced them except my grower buddy in Oregon, who RAVES about them. So I am going with one of the Humboldt apple strains next time for one of the grows. I can't resist the temptation and they are pretty high in THC too, at least the Humboldt ones are. Lots of seed companies are selling the apple now in various hybrid forms. I'm just all about the fruit, and fruity sativas and sativa leaning hybrids. I mean, if you look at the strains I'm growing I guess that's obvious. Lmao. I can't wait to smell the fruit salad in the photo tent of Pineapple Upside Down Cake, Blueberry Muffin, and Jelly Rancher. It's gonna be crazy.
 
Check it out. If I lived in this state this would be precisely what I'm talking about.
Funny you mention that. It’s exactly the state we happen to live in :laugh: Not a card carrier though so i cant take advantage of the shops popping up all over around here. We do have a ton of larf and trim fully cured by now to try and make our own. Hhmm
As far as flavors go, I'm already on my next grow planning. And even though I have enough seeds already to keep me busy for three more grows yet, there's something in terms of flavor/terpene profiles I simply have to try: APPLE. There's a plethora of apple strains coming out lately, kind of a rage. I have yet to see, try or hear about anyone who has experienced them except my grower buddy in Oregon, who RAVES about them. So I am going with one of the Humboldt apple strains next time for one of the grows. I can't resist the temptation and they are pretty high in THC too, at least the Humboldt ones are. Lots of seed companies are selling the apple now in various hybrid forms. I'm just all about the fruit, and fruity sativas and sativa leaning hybrids. I mean, if you look at the strains I'm growing I guess that's obvious. Lmao. I can't wait to smell the fruit salad in the photo tent of Pineapple Upside Down Cake, Blueberry Muffin, and Jelly Rancher. It's gonna be crazy.
I couldnt agree more man. We love the fruity flavors. Sounds like you made some mighty fine choices on those flavors! Tried a “tootie fruity” years ago from a dispensary in CO and man, that stuff SMELLED LIKE FRUIT. It was just crazy. The best smelling and tasting bud i have ever smoked to date. If that stuff still exists, you should definitely add it to your list if you like fruity flavors. :thumb:
 
Funny you mention that. It’s exactly the state we happen to live in :laugh: Not a card carrier though so i cant take advantage of the shops popping up all over around here. We do have a ton of larf and trim fully cured by now to try and make our own. Hhmm

I couldnt agree more man. We love the fruity flavors. Sounds like you made some mighty fine choices on those flavors! Tried a “tootie fruity” years ago from a dispensary in CO and man, that stuff SMELLED LIKE FRUIT. It was just crazy. The best smelling and tasting bud i have ever smoked to date. If that stuff still exists, you should definitely add it to your list if you like fruity flavors. :thumb:
That's so funny. I may or may not live in this state two. We should have a conversation offline. Is there a personal conversation mode on here somewhere? We may be closer to one another than we realize. Like, real close. That would be way cool.
 
That's so funny. I may or may not live in this state two. We should have a conversation offline. Is there a personal conversation mode on here somewhere? We may be closer to one another than we realize. Like, real close. That would be way cool.
Okay, now you’re blowing my freaking mind lol. Hhmmm we gotta figure this out :passitleft:
 
Photoperiod: Day 22 Veg TOPPING DAY
Autoflowers:
Day 11 (4), Day 3 (2), In Soil (3)

Photoperiod:

So today was topping day. All five plants had either the fifth node out or were working on the sixth. As discussed, using Uncle Ben's Method, I topped them all the same way - down to between nodes two and three. There was crazy new growth waiting for this moment already growing underneath on every plant. These things are going to straight up explode now, can't wait to see them in a few days. The topping is easy, not rocket science, and as I'm sure we all do I used clean, sharp scissors, dipped them in alcohol first, and made the cut with one clean cut. As usual, my stress beforehand was unfounded. When I saw all that growth waiting to be unleashed I saw right away they are going to be fine. So that's the topping.

Nutrients: In the process of topping I looked closely at the plants and saw that although I did indeed "burn" them in a few spots with the spilled nute water drying on them, the issue was more than that. It was also in part a response to the first chemical nute application. 75% is too much I now know for sure. All five plants were affected the same way to varying degrees - and only the oldest fan leaves. The new growth is fine. The plants will be fine. But I cut off the parts of the leaves that were most affected as they were curling a bit and going to dry and die anyway. I have included a picture of the curling and discoloration I am talking about. Took about 36-48 hours to show up. That's definitely what it is and it's an easy solution - cut back the nutes. I will drop them to a third of recommended dosage for the next nute watering and work back up. Today was a regular watering for four of the girls. I'm glad I found where too much is, and those leaves are not long for this world anyway, so no harm no foul. It's a risk I take with open eyes by employing my push at all times philosophy. Interestingly, the smallest plants, the Pineapple Upside Down Cakes, are the ones of the three strains that had the least problem with the nutes. The Jelly Rancher and Blueberry Muffin definitely don't want it at 75% right now.

Temperatures and humidity and lights and ph all remain the same as last post.

Gonna watch these guys especially close to see what effect the chop has on them over the next few days, and see how long the "recovery" takes, how long it takes to start revving up the new growth, how the water intake is affected by the topping (expecting it to temporarily slow while they recover - I did take half the plant away), etc....all that good stuff that I expect to be strain specific. I may also do one more clear watering before the next nute watering, ie, two clear instead of just one in between nute applications just to make sure that the nute issue from the first watering is all taken care of.

So all that said pretty solid day for the girls. Just checked three hours post chop and they're all doing fine. So no worries.

Autoflowers:
Listed the nine suspects yesterday. Four are up and doing great on Day 11 although I expected them to be bigger as discussed already. But they are very healthy and now proceeding correctly (or at least what I *think* correctly is, lol). Then two more, one Lemon, one Pineapple Express, are on Day 3 as healthy sprouts, and the last three, two Pineapple Express and one Lemon, are sprouted seeds that are in dirt in the tent waiting to break ground. Not much more to report with the autos, nothing photo worthy. I'll wait till I have nine real plants. Lol.

Temperature and humidity and 22/2 light cycle remain the same. Did I mention that I switched to a 22/2 cycle instead of 20/4? I did that the day the two sprouts broke the ground. It's kind of my response to my stunting the original four by planting them a bit too deep and trying to help them "make up time." :laughtwo: I have no idea if this is a thing and most likely is purely psychological, but the more I can keep myself happy the better. Ha. Plus I saw a bunch of auto journals where people had great results using 24/0, so I know 22/2 will work. They have to rest a LITTLE bit, right? So two hours. Heh.

SO THE PICTURES:
Top to bottom:
- Full shot of all the girls pre topping
- Full shot of the Jelly Rancher pre topping (1st plant to get the chop)
- Full shot of new growth hiding between nodes on Jelly Rancher pre topping (closeup)
- Closeup shot of the cut itself on the Jelly Rancher
- Above shot of Jelly Rancher post topping showing new growth
- Full shot of Jelly Rancher post topping
- Full shot of total plant material removed from the five plants (that hurt to cut all that gorgeous growth)
- Full shot of all the girls back in tent post topping
- Closeup shot of the damage to the oldest fan leaves that was typical and only on them from overnute-ing

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Was there a reason to let the plant grow 5 nodes to cut down to in between 2 and 3? My first grow I cut at 3rd node. My top cuts were very small. Looks like you cut down plants. My current grow I’ve just been topping here, there and everywhere. Just topping to see the differences. Some plants multiple tops. Others just once.
 
Was there a reason to let the plant grow 5 nodes to cut down to in between 2 and 3? My first grow I cut at 3rd node. My top cuts were very small. Looks like you cut down plants. My current grow I’ve just been topping here, there and everywhere. Just topping to see the differences. Some plants multiple tops. Others just once.
The reason as I understand it from veteran growers on here and from others is that by letting it go longer before the first topping (in this case the only topping) it has given the plant the chance to develop a bigger and better root ball. Now I have a second node plant with the root ball of a 5th/6th node plant. Big roots = big buds. My first grow I waited til they were too tall and only topped whatever the topmost node was and my cut was very small. The plants did bush out some, but it looked nothing like these beautiful little bushes that are going on here. In two or three days these guys are going to look amazing. As far as multiple toppings, again I defer to the advice of veterans here and my own research, all of which tells me that every time you top, while you will increase the number of overall "colas" (you really only get four to six "main" colas no matter what you do, the rest may look the same but are secondary "colas"), each of the new colas redistributes the "wealth" that the plant has to offer. As I understand it, the plant has a finite amount of amazing "budness" in it, predetermined by the genetics of the plant. No matter what you do, the plant only has so much "great budness" in it. So if you let it go naturally and it gets one huge cola, that cola will be absolutely the greatest thing you ever grew. But nobody does that cuz the yield is horrible that way. Instead we top and FIM and scrog and SOG and do all that stuff we are talking about to increase yield and create bushier plants. EACH TIME YOU TOP YOU "WATER DOWN" the colas. Each time you top again and split that cola again, you again redistribute the overall "great budness" of the plant. The more you top, the less effective each cola becomes, in short. So many of the vets I read and know only top one time, to get enough extra to say, fill a scrog screen and increase yield, but still maintain the "strength" of each cola. So that's what I decided to do this time. And since I'm trying to fill a scrog screen with three different strains that are inevitably going to have different growing patterns, I chose not to experiment with different topping methods and instead chose to top them all the same way.

Hope all that makes sense.
 
I have a feeling they're gonna love their new "portly" figures ;)

You put so much more thought into topping than we do lol. Good work as usual man. They will reward your attention to detail in no time! :lot-o-toke:
Thanks man. Yeah I think by Sunday they are going to look insane and I will be getting ready to transplant to the fives and begin LST. I'm already getting the tiny tips of roots out of the bottom of the one gallon pots (which is WAY sweet) and I think by then they will be draining the container to bone dry in 24 hours. I'm *guessing* I will transplant these girls Monday and they're going to be quite grown out from what I see right now. That's my hope. We'll see. I believe everything when I see it. Lol. I also understand that now the two new tops are going to grow from the topping and that that is effectively the third node, and that the first node is going to try to catch up to it. That's what I'm told. That's going to end up with a nice octagon shaped cross of those four and the four top new growth ones that show in the picture, and by the time they're in the fives and we go from there it won't be long at all before we're working the screen with EIGHT main branches to play with. PER PLANT. If that is indeed what happens it's going to be amazing, and that's what's SUPPOSED to happen. That, of course, is in a perfect world. :laughtwo: :laughtwo: :laughtwo: :laughtwo: :laughtwo: :laughtwo: And I did do one experiment. All of the top new growth on the five plants is in fours, ie, a tiny branch in each direction. The plants are all the same in that way regarding that top level of new growth you see in the pictures. (there's more underneath too, lol) Obviously I was very careful to not cut any of them. But on one plant I wanted to see what happens if you cut one. Kind of like a topping of one piece of the new growth. I took it off completely and left the stem of it. I doubt anything is going to come of it but it's such a small thing I couldn't find any research or journal stuff on it and rather than throw it out there I just did it. SMALL, TINY experiment. lol. Anyway, yeah, I'm psyched with how it went. We'll see when they need water again as I expect it to slow for a couple days.
 
We’ve got a few nodes ive stripped clean 3 times now and they just keep growing back. So im inclined to think, it could grow that node you chopped back. Probably just a good bit delayed from the others. Should be a fun little experiment to watch unfold.
 
We’ve got a few nodes ive stripped clean 3 times now and they just keep growing back. So im inclined to think, it could grow that node you chopped back. Probably just a good bit delayed from the others. Should be a fun little experiment to watch unfold.
Hope you're right. I just looked at them now about an hour before bedtime and it's really insane. All that new growth is already starting to take off. I'll post a picture around 2-3 pm tomorrow just to show what happened in 24 hours. I gotta give a ton of credit to this light I'm not allowed to talk about. Lol. The thing penetrates like crazy. It's not going to matter if that node grows back or not. There's so many already between that top growth and the same thing happening at the node under that. They're not even in fives yet! I am already starting to highly doubt I'm reaching my goal to veg these guys for 60 days before flipping. I'm not topping again, and in another 38 days, despite LST, I just can't see them being confined to a screen set at 34" above the floor of the tent. Lmao! I could have worse problems!
 
Quick Update with good veg porn

Photoperiod Day 23 Veg
THE MORNING AFTER THE TOPPING

Since this journal is my record for myself of this grow and is also way overly detailed cuz I am trying to be of help to new growers like me if I can be, I am documenting the first couple days since the topping. It's the first and biggest stress the plants will ever experience. It's way more stressful to them than transplant. This is also the first time I ever topped armed with more than cursory information. My first grow, when all the plants were WAY too big, I simply snipped the uppermost node off them. They were already more than two feet tall in 8 gallon pots and had tons of nodes worth of leaves already out. The topping of that little an amount that late into veg was basically of miniscule benefit or effectiveness. This is a whole different world and the first time I've done it. Here's a funny aside: I called my grower friend in Oregon all excited about having found and topped using this "Uncle Ben's Method." Lmao. As if it was some great discovery. I was like a kid in a candy store all excited to impress the guru. Until he says, "Dude, that's old school. I've been topping my plants like that for 20 years." :laughtwo: :laughtwo: :laughtwo: :laughtwo: :laughtwo: :laughtwo:

Anyway, all the plants seem to have handled the topping just fine. I kind of opened the tent this morning expecting to see drooping plants at least. I mean, I cut them in half for god's sake. But they aren't droopy at all. In fact, the new growth that became exposed on top is visibly larger and starting to spread and grow. To my inexperienced eyes they look pretty solid.

Notice the nute burn on the big fan leaves on a couple plants.from that first application of Grow Big, part two of the FF nute trio. I overdid it and that's the result. I guess I got lucky in that this was 100% confined to the large fan leaves of node one or two. Nothing above that. And it hasn't spread or anything. I cut it off the leaves on some of the plants and left it on the ones I felt needed the leaves still. But yeah, my unsolicited advice to anyone using this Fox Farms trio (which is many people on this forum) is to really take it easy to start when the Grow Big starts in week three of their suggested soil schedule. It's WAY strong. Don't be a reckless daredevil idiot like me. Don't start big and pull back, start small and ramp up. For what it's worth.

So I have a few questions for anyone who has any suggestions/experience with this:
- Can I now simply cut off the fan leaves on these plants at the first and second node? They are blocking new growth from underneath and their effectiveness is already compromised from the nute burn.
- Or can I at least cut the second node leaves off? It seems there's plenty of new growth to sustain the plant just fine without these leaves.
- Is what I have going on anywhere near what it's "supposed" to look like post topping?

Any help, as usual, is immensely appreciated and thanks in advance for any input and/or commentary!

So the pictures are the five plants, from overhead, about 15 minutes after the lights came on this morning at 7 a.m. If you're into veg porn it's not the worst in the world. Lmao!

Enjoy guys and happy growing.

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