Jon's Second Grow, First Grow Journal, Soil Grow Autos & Photoperiod

[Backlipslide]

In my tent, which is 2 feet front to back, 4 foot 2 inches side to side and 6 foot 2 inch tall. I could only fit three plants in there in 5 gallon pots. A fourth would have been too much. I did stick a fourth in there but it was a small clone I flipped to flower right away. I still had a hard time fitting it in.

 

[Jon]

In my tent, which is 2 feet front to back, 4 foot 2 inches side to side and 6 foot 2 inch tall. I could only fit three plants in there in 5 gallon pots. A fourth would have been too much. I did stick a fourth in there but it was a small clone I flipped to flower right away. I still had a hard time fitting it in.

I see. Damn, man, that's a nice collection of bud sites for three/four plants.

Here's a couple weird ones for you -

1. Do you believe in the "36 hours of darkness before harvest" concept, and do you use this methodology? If so, what exactly is it supposed to do and why is it a good thing to do?
2. How about 24 hours of darkness between veg and flower? I have a grower friend who tried that and the before and after pics were unreal. It was as if in the 24 hours of darkness the idea of budding got supercharged in the plants mind and they went nuts. When he opened the tent after the darkness and was now on the 12/12 light cycle, his plants looked like they had formed tons of bud sites before they even began to stretch. Are you familiar with this concept and have you ever used it and what kind of results did you get?

I'm a while from those decisions yet, but I plan ahead. Lmao.

 

[Jon]

Photoperiod: Day 20 Veg
Autoflower: Day 9 Veg

Photoperiod:
Four of the girls are on the same watering schedule and one is different cuz I gave her a bit too much one time, no big deal. I let her dry completely out but that's why she's off the other four. It's always my fault, not theirs, lol. That different one got nute watered yesterday with the first application of Fox Farms Grow Big, the second part of their trio, as directed. The nutes at the moment are Big Bloom and Grow Big. I have been alternating plain water and nutrients water so they get fed every other watering. That's a bit of a push for them I know (Fox Farms recommends twice weekly, this way it's more like three times weekly), but as long as they can take it and don't complain I'm going to keep pushing. I tried the first application of this mix at 75% of their recommended dosage of both nutrients. Not worried about the Big Bloom, it's just bat/worm shit. But the Grow Big is not OMRI rated and has actual chemicals. Starting it at 75% is pretty aggressive considering the burn potential, but again, push push push. So I watch what happens. In my first grow, I had yellow tips the very next day after an overfeeding of nutrients. I would think that within 30 hours one would see the results on the plant if one fed too much nutrients. I have none of that (see picture - the one that we are talking about is the Jelly Rancher on the front left of the picture taken from the front door of the tent.) She looks just fine. In fact she looks like she could take more. So this morning's watering was the same nutes watering for the other four. All five are consistent and taking about 36 hours to drain the pot. Maybe 34 hours. This morning I decided to stop slacking and marked down the watering time and it was 8 am. So the "drain the pot timer" started at 8 am this morning, and I'll use the hydrometer to get an accurate reading of when they're bone dry. I'll transplant these guys when they drain the pots in 24 hours. Then we get serious about training and prep for the screen.

Regarding the impending topping:
So apparently using Uncle Ben's method as I am, I don't HAVE to top them the day the fifth node is out a bit. I can wait as long as the sixth node. This gives me a few extra days, which is good because my desire is to top them all at the same time. Not all are ready today. Three are. The Pineapple Upside Down Cakes will be in two days. The other three will be popping the sixth node by then. So I guess I'll top them all in a couple days as soon as the PUCs have the fifth node popped out enough. Can't WAIT to watch these girls bush out and see how they respond to the topping. Growing three strains you never grew before is so much fun. (Of course, other than Surfr Seeds Pineapple Upside Down Cake, ie, my first strain grown, they'd all be new to me this time, lmao.) The thrill of the unknown. But I stress it too so I hope they like the haircut. Lol.

Numbers:
Average Temperature: 68 (low overnight) - 78 (high during day)
Average Humidity: 55 - 65 percent
Lights: Full power at 16" drawing 580 true watts and measuring 850 par on my meter at canopy level
Ph Runoff: 5.7 - 6.3

The pictures are a front of tent and back of tent shot from about 15 minutes after watering this morning.

Autoflowers:
The four original girls are finally growing properly so they are going to stay. And maybe they're just this slow compared to photoperiod plants in terms of how they begin. I don't know. But I made some other decisions as well. There will be 9 autos in the tent, all in three gallon pots. Three rows of three. I saw someone doing that in the same size tent and it was glorious.

The 9 contestants are:
3 Dutch Passion Cinderella Jack
3 420 Fast Buds Pineapple Express
1 Barney's Farm Gorilla Zkittlez
2 Lemon

First four are working. Two more popped out of the dirt this morning and are in the tent. The three others are between wet paper towels. In four or five days I will have 9 plants all sprouted and green and growing and will post a picture then. I'm providing the updates but screw the photo if it doesn't really have value. I'm already wasting enough of your time. Lol!

Numbers:
Average Temperature: 70 (low overnight) - 84 (high during day)
Average Humidity: 60 - 70 percent
Lights: Full power (VEG and BLOOM) at 28" drawing 800+ true watts and measuring480 par on my meter at the level of the top of the plants

So that's about it. Nothing exciting is going to happen or change really in the next couple days before topping the photoperiod plants, so I will post again and do a before and after the haircut thing.

Thanks for stopping by and happy growing!

 

[Backlipslide]

Do you believe in the "36 hours of darkness before harvest" concept, and do you use this methodology? If so, what exactly is it supposed to do and why is it a good thing to do?

I’ve done it and will do it, IF I can.

a lot of the time, I’ve got multiple strains going, and they might have different flowering times. I’ve got no where to put a ripe pot plant besides my tent. Cant fuck up the others time schedule, so I’m forced to not give a lot of my plants a dark time before harvest. When I’m down to one plant in the tent, I’ll absolutely give it a dark period.

To be honest, I found no real difference that benefits one thing or the other, between one that has and one that hasn’t.

2. How about 24 hours of darkness between veg and flower? I have a grower friend who tried that and the before and after pics were unreal. It was as if in the 24 hours of darkness the idea of budding got supercharged in the plants mind and they went nuts. When he opened the tent after the darkness and was now on the 12/12 light cycle, his plants looked like they had formed tons of bud sites before they even began to stretch. Are you familiar with this concept and have you ever used it and what kind of results did you get?

Many do, I don’t

I tried it once, and I went 36 hours. When the light came back on, the plant seemed to have stretched like crazy... I’ll give it that, but all where bud sites would be and leafs around it, turned what was almost a white in colour.

the colour came back, they didn’t stretch too much after that and it almost seemed like it took longer for them to fully push out pistils, then if I were to just switch the timer.

I guess it’s a personal preference though. You can do all these things if you like. I’m not here to tell you, no, don’t do this, don’t do that. It’s up to you to take what we say to you in our experiences and decide for you’re self what’s best for you.

no harm in trying it. I know I learn better hands on, so it’s completely up to you man!

 

[Jon]

I’ve done it and will do it, IF I can.

a lot of the time, I’ve got multiple strains going, and they might have different flowering times. I’ve got no where to put a ripe pot plant besides my tent. Cant fuck up the others time schedule, so I’m forced to not give a lot of my plants a dark time before harvest. When I’m down to one plant in the tent, I’ll absolutely give it a dark period.

To be honest, I found no real difference that benefits one thing or the other, between one that has and one that hasn’t.



Many do, I don’t

I tried it once, and I went 36 hours. When the light came back on, the plant seemed to have stretched like crazy... I’ll give it that, but all where bud sites would be and leafs around it, turned what was almost a white in colour.

the colour came back, they didn’t stretch too much after that and it almost seemed like it took longer for them to fully push out pistils, then if I were to just switch the timer.

I guess it’s a personal preference though. You can do all these things if you like. I’m not here to tell you, no, don’t do this, don’t do that. It’s up to you to take what we say to you in our experiences and decide for you’re self what’s best for you.

no harm in trying it. I know I learn better hands on, so it’s completely up to you man!

I appreciate the perspective. I wasn't thrilled with either, just asking. When it comes to making calls like these I often go with my gut. My gut says no. I don't think it would hurt anything, either thing, but I fear things like what you just reported. And not one person has yet shown me science and data proving it numerically. Until I see that it's always a grain of salt/personal preference thing for me.

 

[Jon]

Nutrient Watch!!

Photoperiod: Day 21 Veg
Autoflower: Day 10 Veg (4), Day 1 Veg (2)

Photoperiod:
Today was important because yesterday was the first watering with part two of Fox Farms nutrient trio. This morning is 24 hours since the watering and I used both the Big Bloom and the Grow Big at 75% of recommended dosage. I was a bit concerned/curious about how the girls were going to handle 75% on the first application of the Grow Big, which is a non-organic nutrient, versus the Big Bloom which is all organic and basically just shit in a bottle. Fox Farms has a reputation for nute burn if you use their recommended dosage right off the bat, and I indeed found that to be true in my first grow. (Frankly, my understanding is that most nute systems recommend too much - they wanna sell more nutes) But opening at 75% is a little iffy, lol. I opened the tent in search of yellowing leaf tips, as based on my first grow I figured that's the first place any sign of over-nuting will show up. For the record, my personal opinion is that if you over nute and the only consequence is a few yellow tips, and it's ONLY the very tips and that's it, and assuming you are using plain water between nute waterings (as I am), then a few yellow tips is not going to hurt you. The plants wear them as a badge of honor. Lol. Don't get me wrong, I don't WANT them, but it's more important to me to ride that line and push the crap out of the plants. If I am riding right on the line of maxing their nutrient intake that's where I want to be. So I'll risk a few yellow tips. Heh.

Out of all five plants there is only one with just a tiny tiny bit of yellowing leaf tip. That is the closeup picture of the one Jelly Rancher. None of the others show the slightest sign. And you have to look close-ish to even recognize it in the closeup but I'm certain those yellowing tips in the middle growth are a result of the nutes. THAT'S IT? HA!! I can live with that EASY. That's NOTHING. They took it like a champ. I wouldn't exactly say they are begging for more, but they seem okay with 75% concentration. That said, I will cut it back in the mix for the next watering to about 60%. I want to RIDE the line, not CROSS the line. But I am extremely happy to see the condition of the girls. They look great in the group shot and are standing at attention.

The Pineapple Upside Down Cakes are getting closer to the fifth node being out, so the topping is a day or two away. I have an insane amount of growth hiding out between the nodes already on these plants that astounds me. I'll show closeups with the topping pics in a couple days. The others could be topped anytime, but again I want to top them all at the same time.

Autoflowers:
So the four originally planted autos are now doing pretty well and are growing the way I expected them to. Hard to tell in the blurple pic, but all four are green and look quite healthy. Starting to be able to see daily progress in them. The other two have just come out, today is Day One for them. There are three more popped in the paper towels I am about to put into the dirt (now 20 for 20 on popping seeds lifetime, lmao). It will be way too confusing to continue to separate all nine by what day they're on, so once the final three break ground I will likely start referring to the entire auto grow as Day One of that grow (officially, not that it matters, lol) on that day.

So here's a crappy blurple pic of the autos. I'll pull them out into natural light for next time.

Thanks for stopping by guys. And thanks for any help/commentary/opinions - all are WAY welcome and the reason I'm here. Teach me!!!!

Happy Growing!

 

[Michael Hunt]

Nutrient Watch!!

Photoperiod: Day 21 Veg
Autoflower: Day 10 Veg (4), Day 1 Veg (2)

Photoperiod:
Today was important because yesterday was the first watering with part two of Fox Farms nutrient trio. This morning is 24 hours since the watering and I used both the Big Bloom and the Grow Big at 75% of recommended dosage. I was a bit concerned/curious about how the girls were going to handle 75% on the first application of the Grow Big, which is a non-organic nutrient, versus the Big Bloom which is all organic and basically just shit in a bottle. Fox Farms has a reputation for nute burn if you use their recommended dosage right off the bat, and I indeed found that to be true in my first grow. (Frankly, my understanding is that most nute systems recommend too much - they wanna sell more nutes) But opening at 75% is a little iffy, lol. I opened the tent in search of yellowing leaf tips, as based on my first grow I figured that's the first place any sign of over-nuting will show up. For the record, my personal opinion is that if you over nute and the only consequence is a few yellow tips, and it's ONLY the very tips and that's it, and assuming you are using plain water between nute waterings (as I am), then a few yellow tips is not going to hurt you. The plants wear them as a badge of honor. Lol. Don't get me wrong, I don't WANT them, but it's more important to me to ride that line and push the crap out of the plants. If I am riding right on the line of maxing their nutrient intake that's where I want to be. So I'll risk a few yellow tips. Heh.

Out of all five plants there is only one with just a tiny tiny bit of yellowing leaf tip. That is the closeup picture of the one Jelly Rancher. None of the others show the slightest sign. And you have to look close-ish to even recognize it in the closeup but I'm certain those yellowing tips in the middle growth are a result of the nutes. THAT'S IT? HA!! I can live with that EASY. That's NOTHING. They took it like a champ. I wouldn't exactly say they are begging for more, but they seem okay with 75% concentration. That said, I will cut it back in the mix for the next watering to about 60%. I want to RIDE the line, not CROSS the line. But I am extremely happy to see the condition of the girls. They look great in the group shot and are standing at attention.

The Pineapple Upside Down Cakes are getting closer to the fifth node being out, so the topping is a day or two away. I have an insane amount of growth hiding out between the nodes already on these plants that astounds me. I'll show closeups with the topping pics in a couple days. The others could be topped anytime, but again I want to top them all at the same time.

Autoflowers:
So the four originally planted autos are now doing pretty well and are growing the way I expected them to. Hard to tell in the blurple pic, but all four are green and look quite healthy. Starting to be able to see daily progress in them. The other two have just come out, today is Day One for them. There are three more popped in the paper towels I am about to put into the dirt (now 20 for 20 on popping seeds lifetime, lmao). It will be way too confusing to continue to separate all nine by what day they're on, so once the final three break ground I will likely start referring to the entire auto grow as Day One of that grow (officially, not that it matters, lol) on that day.

So here's a crappy blurple pic of the autos. I'll pull them out into natural light for next time.

Thanks for stopping by guys. And thanks for any help/commentary/opinions - all are WAY welcome and the reason I'm here. Teach me!!!!

Happy Growing!

Lookin good man. Cant wait to see em explode after topping. All those small hidden sites will make themselves known real quick

 

[Jon]

Lookin good man. Cant wait to see em explode after topping. All those small hidden sites will make themselves known real quick

That's what I figure! Yeah they're going to explode alright. I can see it and I can feel it. I was tempted to wait until they're in the fives to top them, but decided against that. The topping is too soon and they still have days in the ones.

So basically once I top them, the first node is going to explode and immediately start trying to catch the two colas that will come out of the topping, and those are the four "main" colas. Based on my understanding of Uncle Ben's method of topping and what happens, anyway. I plan to tie those four out into a cross shape if you were looking down on the plant. Then let all that hidden and new growth become the middle and let it all grow up, with strategic (I hope) defoliation. Do that on all five plants and fill my screen at 33" above the floor of the tent (can make it any height, but that's the height where the screen itself is exactly two feet above dirt surface level), which will give me a canopy that's filled up and ready to flip when the plants themselves are two feet tall (well, really taller but two feet tall at canopy level). That should give me four to five foot finished plants, which I can handle from the wheelchair. Lol.

Does that sound like a plan? Once I top my challenge is what I figure will be the most fun and most difficult part, which is keeping five plants of three different strains in step to fill the screen with some semblance of evenness. The PUCs seem like they're going to be smaller than the others the entire time. So that's going to be fun. Ha.

 

[Michael Hunt]

Sounds like a solid plan to me man.
wish i had the patience for a good soil grow. You should end up with a serious amount of delicious buds! I have done two strains side by side before and they both grew completely differently during flower. It should be interesting to see if a screen would have helped them even out. I hope it helps you keep all 3 even with each other
If those PUC’s stretch more than the others during 12/12, they could end up being your biggest plants. Crazier things have happened

 

[Jon]

Sounds like a solid plan to me man.
wish i had the patience for a good soil grow. You should end up with a serious amount of delicious buds! I have done two strains side by side before and they both grew completely differently during flower. It should be interesting to see if a screen would have helped them even out. I hope it helps you keep all 3 even with each other
If those PUC’s stretch more than the others during 12/12, they could end up being your biggest plants. Crazier things have happened

Yup. And thanks. Yeah, talking directly with someone who grows from Humboldt SC and knows the three strains well has really boosted my confidence in regards to the stretching. They are pretty adamant that these are the best three to try together due to the similarity of their growing profile, the way they stretch similarly, and most importantly the same flowering time. So I'm *hoping* they're right and one strain doesn't completely outstretch the others. I'll know more after the topping. As far as the yield, I think it's a realistic goal to pull two pounds of finished bud out of this scrog. That's what I'm shooting for. Based on my research and talking to people, in a good grow, in a 5x5 with my light and other conditions I have going on, I should pull two pounds. Doesn't mean I'll be upset if it's less, but do you think that's realistic? Anyway, that's the goal. And if I can pull a pound from the 9 autos that's kind of the goal there. That should be easy, just 16 ounces from nine plants. Right? I never did autos, but it seems the average yield people get from reasonable competency is one to two ounces a plant.

 

[Michael Hunt]

Yup. And thanks. Yeah, talking directly with someone who grows from Humboldt SC and knows the three strains well has really boosted my confidence in regards to the stretching. They are pretty adamant that these are the best three to try together due to the similarity of their growing profile, the way they stretch similarly, and most importantly the same flowering time. So I'm *hoping* they're right and one strain doesn't completely outstretch the others. I'll know more after the topping. As far as the yield, I think it's a realistic goal to pull two pounds of finished bud out of this scrog. That's what I'm shooting for. Based on my research and talking to people, in a good grow, in a 5x5 with my light and other conditions I have going on, I should pull two pounds. Doesn't mean I'll be upset if it's less, but do you think that's realistic? Anyway, that's the goal. And if I can pull a pound from the 9 autos that's kind of the goal there. That should be easy, just 16 ounces from nine plants. Right? I never did autos, but it seems the average yield people get from reasonable competency is one to two ounces a plant.

Cant speak for the auto’s at all but i dont see why 2lbs with that many plants in that much space being unrealistic. This is the most plants we’ve ever grown at once though so not speaking from experience here either haha.

 

[Jon]

Cant speak for the auto’s at all but i dont see why 2lbs with that many plants in that much space being unrealistic. This is the most plants we’ve ever grown at once though so not speaking from experience here either haha.

I agree. My first grow I pulled 10 1/2 ounces from five plants (started with six, one went hermie and had to be pulled) in 8 gallon pots. The plants were HUGE. Like, WAY over my head. I had to get someone to take pictures for me from above from time to time. Lol. Should've gotten a selfie stick. Never thought of that. I had let one grow naturally without any topping or anything cuz it was my first time and I figured it would be good to just see how a plant grows naturally. Topped the others. That one untopped plant ended up hitting the ceiling of my tent. It was almost 7 1/2 feet tall and I had her tied down as much as I could. Lmao. But the others were a field of beautiful colas that looked huge in pictures but weren't that big. My largest finished bud was maybe a half an ounce. The bud was truly amazing (there's a couple pics in the very beginning of my journal on page one), but truth be told, 10 1/2 ounces from what I had SUCKED. Should have been at least double and more like three times that. When I pulled the rootballs after the grow they should have filled the pots but I had softballs. I screwed up so badly the whole grow and STILL got a great finished product. BUT...this time I have gone to school. I have near perfect growing conditions going on. I *sort of* have a *tiny* idea of what I'm doing. I have awesome genetics and healthy as shit plants. So my point is that I feel personally as If I have no excuse to not have a great yield this time. I like putting a little pressure on myself.

 

[Bill284]

I agree. My first grow I pulled 10 1/2 ounces from five plants (started with six, one went hermie and had to be pulled) in 8 gallon pots. The plants were HUGE. Like, WAY over my head. I had to get someone to take pictures for me from above from time to time. Lol. Should've gotten a selfie stick. Never thought of that. I had let one grow naturally without any topping or anything cuz it was my first time and I figured it would be good to just see how a plant grows naturally. Topped the others. That one untopped plant ended up hitting the ceiling of my tent. It was almost 7 1/2 feet tall and I had her tied down as much as I could. Lmao. But the others were a field of beautiful colas that looked huge in pictures but weren't that big. My largest finished bud was maybe a half an ounce. The bud was truly amazing (there's a couple pics in the very beginning of my journal on page one), but truth be told, 10 1/2 ounces from what I had SUCKED. Should have been at least double and more like three times that. When I pulled the rootballs after the grow they should have filled the pots but I had softballs. I screwed up so badly the whole grow and STILL got a great finished product. BUT...this time I have gone to school. I have near perfect growing conditions going on. I *sort of* have a *tiny* idea of what I'm doing. I have awesome genetics and healthy as shit plants. So my point is that I feel personally as If I have no excuse to not have a great yield this time. I like putting a little pressure on myself.

I hope you get what want from your girls. I'm sure with a little help from our members your ladies will do fantastic.

 

[Jon]

I hope you get what want from your girls. I'm sure with a little help from our members your ladies will do fantastic.

I hope you get what want from your girls. I'm sure with a little help from our members your ladies will do fantastic.

I repeated what you said and bold italicized it. This is something I hope every new grower on here is aware of and appreciates. This is what it's all about. I've tried many forums and the willingness to assist new growers in this one far exceeds any other. The experienced growers here are FABULOUS, they know what they're talking about, they prove it with pictures, and any of us newbies would be fools to not learn and benefit from you guy's experiences and triumphs and mistakes. It is GREATLY appreciated. I try to thank y'all as often as possible and pay my respects to the experienced ones who help me out so much whenever I can without COMPLETELY kissing your asses.

 

[Bill284]

I repeated what you said and bold italicized it. This is something I hope every new grower on here is aware of and appreciates. This is what it's all about. I've tried many forums and the willingness to assist new growers in this one far exceeds any other. The experienced growers here are FABULOUS, they know what they're talking about, they prove it with pictures, and any of us newbies would be fools to not learn and benefit from you guy's experiences and triumphs and mistakes. It is GREATLY appreciated. I try to thank y'all as often as possible and pay my respects to the experienced ones who help me out so much whenever I can without COMPLETELY kissing your asses.

 

[Jon]

Tight. Inkbird controller's now for the temps get the one with day/night settings, like two in one the 610 I think. Get a cheap steam humidifier, unless they come with replacement elements the extra expense is waste and 20$ is what I spent. I crack it open once a week and beat off (phrasing! lol) the scale on the stainless steel elements but they are degrading a bit (3 months use) and it might last another 3 months minimum because i wont buy scale remover solution. Do get larger pots, 7 gallon and fill anything to the brim, dont skimp on that it adds size, probably more than what you think. Temp gun, infrared type, several hygrometers to give readings above midway and bottom, fancy is good, cheap works. Temp gun is to check temps of your canopy and other areas, floor included if its low raise them up a few inches leave an air gap a couple inches. VPD, search that. Now when your RH fluctuates track your water/feed, it (rh) should increase immediately after and stabilize, moisture evaporates from the bags into the tent and will lead you around keeping on top of that humidifier and exhaust/intake fan fandango. See a major drop, indicator of your pots drying out and smol 3 gallon wont take long, you'll fight this and lose yield stressing for autos at different times and to much, less yield and quality.
You seem dead set against timers, I pose this question, What if something comes up and you absolutely cant be there for a week. I say a week at most, but even a weekend could end it. Investment gone. Your determination or OCD isnt going to pull it back from the grave and you'll beat the hell out of yourself (phrasing) mentally if it happens. Another thing, power outages. Do you have a ginny tied into your house panel? I'm betting theres at least a ton of weed if not tens of tons of weed down in texas that just went to shit amirite? I wont fill up anymore of your journal and I can delete this one to clean it up, just copy and paste this one to your clipboard and send me a message, and again you got it tight, nice op let's tune it up. GG

Sorry, took me a bit to respond to this.

Ok so I'm much more on top of this. The plants all have their own drip trays and are all currently raised on pavers. I have the plastic riser thingies for the final pots. So I have the raise the pots thing covered. I have hydrometers covered and I'm glad I do cuz I really like the pots to become BONE dry between waterings and they are really helping to know when every part of the pot is completely dry. I got the Korona app for a light meter and it is surprisingly and amazingly accurate. I tested it against my par charts for both lights, and it's spot on. So I have light measurement covered. I also test ph post runoff on each plant. I do have a cheapie, but it also is surprisingly accurate. I tested it against the numbers the county here posts daily for our tap water, as that is my base water now that we're into veg. The tap water here is good for growing - no chlorine or high metal issues, no ph issues. My ph so far on every plant combined ranges from 5.8 to 6.4. I'm real good with that. So I have testing the ph covered. I chose not to do the seven gallon pot thing. I can fill the scrog screen no problem in the photos with five gallon pots. They'll be PLENTY big. Remember I'm in a wheelchair so despite that I have the space, I can't really let them get seven feet tall like I would if I had my damn legs. Lmao. The autos are staying in threes for their final home because I have upped the count to 9 and that's the only way to avoid overcrowding the tent with that many plants. That will work out fine, not concerned about it. I will pull a pound from 9 autos I believe. Don't think that's unrealistic or particularly difficult. Should/could be more, but if I do that and get two pounds from the photo scrog (also realistic) that's a three pound grow, which would save me an immense amount of money at the dispensary. Lmao. I also got timers. You were right. It was only a matter of time before I screwed up. I found good, digital timers with three prong inputs and three prong plugs. There's one on each tent and they work perfectly and I'm SO glad. I will be the first to say I was a straight up FOOL to try to do this without timers. Thanks for not telling me that in those words. Lmao! I also have a temperature/rh gauge in each tent and they are very good and very accurate. These plants get watched like a hawk. I control their temperature and humidity to a T on an almost hourly basis, as I have like eight or nine different ways to affect their environment at my disposal between adjustable fans speeds, open or closed tent doors, open or closed garage door, open or closed door into the house, adjustable fan speed on the AC unit, adjustable AC level on the unit, and adjustable temperature output on the AC unit. It has been fun and challenging to work out the "tuning" of the entire space and system as a whole for both tents, but at this point I have that shit down. Their environments have been as close to perfect as is humanly possible, imho. All my final pots are prepared and ready, as is the infrastructure necessary for the rest of the grow.

I *think* I tightened it up nicely. I appreciate the input a ton, that's why I'm here. Thanks! Today is Day 21 of the photos, and you can see the results of the tightening, at least some of them, in the yesterday/today pictures.

 

[lvumlow]

...I never did autos, but it seems the average yield people get from reasonable competency is one to two ounces a plant.

I think autos get a bad rap, I have seen a lot of small plants but also seen some high yields in some of the journals? Not sure where I will land but my seed package (Northern Lights) is saying 400-500g yield for indoor. I believe I will beat that... I am under the impression that timing is the problem; if your conditions are not optimal, it really hurts in terms of recovery time.

 

[Jon]

I think autos get a bad rap, I have seen a lot of small plants but also seen some high yields in some of the journals? Not sure where I will land but my seed package (Northern Lights) is saying 400-500g yield for indoor. I believe I will beat that... I am under the impression that timing is the problem; if your conditions are not optimal, it really hurts in terms of recovery time.

Check out this picture from another forum of a nine autos in a 5x5 grow. This looks fabulous to me and is close to what I hope to produce in the auto tent. This picture was my inspiration to pop the other auto seeds to make it to nine plants.

 

[Jon]

I think autos get a bad rap, I have seen a lot of small plants but also seen some high yields in some of the journals? Not sure where I will land but my seed package (Northern Lights) is saying 400-500g yield for indoor. I believe I will beat that... I am under the impression that timing is the problem; if your conditions are not optimal, it really hurts in terms of recovery time.

I also have more than twice the light that dude in the picture used. I can CRUSH that grow, and I intend to. Heh.

 

[Bill284]

I also have more than twice the light that dude in the picture used. I can CRUSH that grow, and I intend to. Heh.

I love your enthusiasm. Can't wait to see how it goes.