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Weekend Sadie Update
Day 100 Grow
Day 21 Flower

My girl has hit the century mark! 100 days since she sprouted today!


Just two things of note regarding Sadie between last post and now.

- I saw a few leaves starting to yellow just a tad so I flushed five gallons of clean water through her yesterday, as it was watering day for her. Then I waited a couple hours for that to dry out a little bit, and followed that up with a CalMag plus Iron only feeding. It'll take care of that right away, I've already seen it with this plant and now I know how she is going to respond. At least in this case, lol.
- I decided it was time to begin supplementing her reds in a big way, so I changed the lighting a bit. She is still getting the same overall par numbers, around 1300 or so, but now the combination is the two blurples on BLOOM only, so that on either side the plant is bathed in that red light, ON TOP OF adjusting the output on the full spectrum quantum board to maintain the same par numbers. So the quantum board sits at 80% full spectrum with added IR, and the blurples on 100% and only the reds, and the plant is getting a ton of the best of both worlds, to the best of what my technical limitations/capabilities allow. To my eyes she still shows no signs whatsoever of not liking the par numbers. You can see the difference in some of the pictures with the reds now added.

Other than that she is just doing her thing, stacking away, frosting up, and getting fatter. Interestingly, comparing the two Jelly Ranchers, this one and the one in the scrog, shows a few differences. This is despite that the two plants started out as nearly identical. I was and am almost certain they are the identical pheno. So I kind of expected them to grow pretty much the same way. They are, for the most part. But I see this plant stacking bigger and faster than the one in the scrog in less time. Conversely, the buds on the Jelly Rancher in the scrog are frostier than these in more time. Size wise they are the same size plant overall. The JR in the scrog has more bud sites, for obvious reasons, but other than that they're the same plant. My theory is this: a plant has a certain amount of energy to it, it's a specific amount, and it is finite. So when you bud it, that energy is going to be distributed to the number of buds you have. The more buds, the less intense each individual bud will be, and vice versa. So if that is accurate, I think the solo Jelly Rancher is growing buds at a faster rater because it's energy is distributed to fewer spots than the JR in the scrog. Just a theory. It could also be because the solo plant is getting hit with a total of 956 real watts of power versus the scrog JR which is getting hit with 680 real watts of power. Both are godawful awesome wattage numbers, but maybe it makes a difference and this is an example, I don't know. I also wonder if the buds are growing faster and bigger on the solo plant because she's budding at par numbers 200 points higher than the scrog. All of these may be factors.

In any event, she's pretty damn happy going into the weekend. Have a great weekend everyone. Go Sixers!

Photographs:

- Sadie side view
- Sadie top view
- Stacking pic 1
- Stacking pic 2
- Bud closeup 1
- Bud closeup 2

Sadie from the side.jpg


Sadie from overhead.jpg


Sadie stacking 1.jpg


Sadie stacking 2.jpg


Sadie bud up close 1.jpg


Sadie bud up close 2.jpg
Beautiful!
 
Weekend Sadie Update
Day 100 Grow
Day 21 Flower

My girl has hit the century mark! 100 days since she sprouted today!


Just two things of note regarding Sadie between last post and now.

- I saw a few leaves starting to yellow just a tad so I flushed five gallons of clean water through her yesterday, as it was watering day for her. Then I waited a couple hours for that to dry out a little bit, and followed that up with a CalMag plus Iron only feeding. It'll take care of that right away, I've already seen it with this plant and now I know how she is going to respond. At least in this case, lol.
- I decided it was time to begin supplementing her reds in a big way, so I changed the lighting a bit. She is still getting the same overall par numbers, around 1300 or so, but now the combination is the two blurples on BLOOM only, so that on either side the plant is bathed in that red light, ON TOP OF adjusting the output on the full spectrum quantum board to maintain the same par numbers. So the quantum board sits at 80% full spectrum with added IR, and the blurples on 100% and only the reds, and the plant is getting a ton of the best of both worlds, to the best of what my technical limitations/capabilities allow. To my eyes she still shows no signs whatsoever of not liking the par numbers. You can see the difference in some of the pictures with the reds now added.

Other than that she is just doing her thing, stacking away, frosting up, and getting fatter. Interestingly, comparing the two Jelly Ranchers, this one and the one in the scrog, shows a few differences. This is despite that the two plants started out as nearly identical. I was and am almost certain they are the identical pheno. So I kind of expected them to grow pretty much the same way. They are, for the most part. But I see this plant stacking bigger and faster than the one in the scrog in less time. Conversely, the buds on the Jelly Rancher in the scrog are frostier than these in more time. Size wise they are the same size plant overall. The JR in the scrog has more bud sites, for obvious reasons, but other than that they're the same plant. My theory is this: a plant has a certain amount of energy to it, it's a specific amount, and it is finite. So when you bud it, that energy is going to be distributed to the number of buds you have. The more buds, the less intense each individual bud will be, and vice versa. So if that is accurate, I think the solo Jelly Rancher is growing buds at a faster rater because it's energy is distributed to fewer spots than the JR in the scrog. Just a theory. It could also be because the solo plant is getting hit with a total of 956 real watts of power versus the scrog JR which is getting hit with 680 real watts of power. Both are godawful awesome wattage numbers, but maybe it makes a difference and this is an example, I don't know. I also wonder if the buds are growing faster and bigger on the solo plant because she's budding at par numbers 200 points higher than the scrog. All of these may be factors.

In any event, she's pretty damn happy going into the weekend. Have a great weekend everyone. Go Sixers!

Photographs:

- Sadie side view
- Sadie top view
- Stacking pic 1
- Stacking pic 2
- Bud closeup 1
- Bud closeup 2

Sadie from the side.jpg


Sadie from overhead.jpg


Sadie stacking 1.jpg


Sadie stacking 2.jpg


Sadie bud up close 1.jpg


Sadie bud up close 2.jpg
She is really loving the light your giving her.
Sadie is beautiful.
Bill
 
She is really loving the light your giving her.
Sadie is beautiful.
Bill
Thanks Bill. It really makes me wanna lower the light in the scrog to get similar par numbers (piece of cake), but, right now all three strains are "praying" to the light in the exact best case scenario way. To achieve that I had to raise the light to accommodate the goddamn Blueberry Muffin who is more light sensitive than the other two strains. (Shit. Too bad. 1100 will have to do. Cuz I'm not burning the Blueberry Muffin or bleaching her over the other strains wanting 100 more points in par or whatever the small difference is.) So I'll leave the scrog as planned. That wasn't COMPLETELY unforseen, I was just hoping the light requests from the three strains would be the same. Almost. Not quite. Lol.
 
Thanks Bill. It really makes me wanna lower the light in the scrog to get similar par numbers (piece of cake), but, right now all three strains are "praying" to the light in the exact best case scenario way. To achieve that I had to raise the light to accommodate the goddamn Blueberry Muffin who is more light sensitive than the other two strains. (Shit. Too bad. 1100 will have to do. Cuz I'm not burning the Blueberry Muffin or bleaching her over the other strains wanting 100 more points in par or whatever the small difference is.) So I'll leave the scrog as planned. That wasn't COMPLETELY unforseen, I was just hoping the light requests from the three strains would be the same. Almost. Not quite. Lol.
I run a Blueberry pretty much every month.
Mixed with everyone else.
Her sativa traits make her stretch into the light . Its always a struggle to keep her away from it. But of all the strains I grow its the only one that makes me giggle.
So I always grow one.
I'm enjoying your breakdown and logging of everything.
Bill
 
DAY FIVE OF VEG

Not a whole lot of update, but below is a picture of the girls on Day 5. All five have nice color, leaves look good, a little curling on the one plant but I think that's just how this girl is taking off since the other four all look fine. Apparently my thought that you CAN start seedlings in a real amount of light is working. I have no burn and no signs that it is a problem. The light is at 36" and for you par junkies, the plants are getting about 500-600 ppfd. This is high for sure, but my thing is to push the plants every step of the way. It's not only elemental of my personality, it's how I attempt to get the most out of each girl.

Numbers:
Temperature range: 72-85 degrees (I think this is ideal)
Humidity range: 45-55% (Hoping the humidifier coming today can pump this number to 70%)

I have fans blowing gently on the seedlings so they move a little bit. My understanding is that this helps the stems begin to harden/toughen up from the very beginning, as the movement the wind creates actually signals the plants to develop more stem cells, or at least that's the way I understand it.

I am watering according to Emilya's How to Water series of posts. I am taking her advice and letting the cup the seedlings are in dry ALL THE WAY OUT before each new watering. This is easy to do with no guesswork. I have a cup of just the same soil mix that's dry. It weighs 194 grams. In the morning I weigh each seedling cup. If it weighs more than 194 grams I do not water it until it matches the number. Simple. But it does require a weird discipline. At least for me, if the seedlings weigh, say, 205 or 210, my inclination is to want to say "close enough," and water. NO. I am fighting that urge. So this morning one plant got watered and the others will get watered in a few more hours when they lose that little bit of water and weigh the same as the test cup. NO GUESSWORK. I am also watering right down the edges of the Dixie cups other than a few squirts at the end in the middle, to try and entice the roots outward. So far so good.

The thing that makes me very happy this morning is that all five of these girls have sprouted their second set of leaves, if you can see that in the photograph. In just five days of growth. And note how the second set is directly on top of the first. I want tight internodal spacing. My first grow I let my seedlings stretch like crazy and it sucked. So to see these second sets of leaves already and where they are makes me very happy.

So far so good! Excited to see what this humidifier will do.

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Reading your description of this 3 cup configuration, I got a little lost. Can you show how you cut them exactly?
 
Reading your description of this 3 cup configuration, I got a little lost. Can you show how you cut them exactly?
Yup. Gimme a few to take some pics and I'll respond right here with pics.
 
Yup. Gimme a few to take some pics and I'll respond right here with pics.
Excellent, thanks! I was just describing this to a friend who's starting out too & he was also impressed.
 
Friday Night Scrog Update
Bud and Frosting Special Episode
Day 100 Grow

Day 26 Flower

For tonight's scrog update episode I decided to try something not the same as the usual left to right scrog pictures. They pretty much all look the same. So for this Friday, I focused on the buds themselves, and the frosting on them. The Pineapple Upside Down Cakes are in perfect health, just the last to start frosting up. For the sake of the pictures I stuck to the Jelly Rancher and the Blueberry Muffin. Both are frosting so hard that when I open the tent and look at them they almost sparkle. Since all I have as photo period personal growing reference is my first grow, all I can really say is that I don't even think my buds from Grow one were this frosty at harvest. And they were really good buds. These things just look like snowcaps. It's crazy to see it live cuz a lot of it doesn't show in the pictures. I just have not grown buds with this level of genetics, nor with this much care and attention, and most importantly, not with this much help. The forum has been invaluable, and I am so grateful to everyone who has helped me get this far.

Ok, enough blah blah blah from Jon. On to the pics.

All we have is 3 bud shots. Two Jelly Ranchers and one Blueberry Muffin shot. The one Blueberry Muffin picture is a bit close and a bit out of focus but it showed the incredible frost so I tossed it in. This is quite a combination of odors, by the way. I can't even describe how good it smells in this tent.

Have a great Friday night guys. Don't get in too much trouble.

Jelly Rancher bud in the scrog.jpg


Jelly Rancher bud 3 in the scrog.jpg


Blueberry Muffin bud in the scrog.jpg
 
Friday Night Scrog Update
Bud and Frosting Special Episode
Day 100 Grow

Day 26 Flower

For tonight's scrog update episode I decided to try something not the same as the usual left to right scrog pictures. They pretty much all look the same. So for this Friday, I focused on the buds themselves, and the frosting on them. The Pineapple Upside Down Cakes are in perfect health, just the last to start frosting up. For the sake of the pictures I stuck to the Jelly Rancher and the Blueberry Muffin. Both are frosting so hard that when I open the tent and look at them they almost sparkle. Since all I have as photo period personal growing reference is my first grow, all I can really say is that I don't even think my buds from Grow one were this frosty at harvest. And they were really good buds. These things just look like snowcaps. It's crazy to see it live cuz a lot of it doesn't show in the pictures. I just have not grown buds with this level of genetics, nor with this much care and attention, and most importantly, not with this much help. The forum has been invaluable, and I am so grateful to everyone who has helped me get this far.

Ok, enough blah blah blah from Jon. On to the pics.

All we have is 3 bud shots. Two Jelly Ranchers and one Blueberry Muffin shot. The one Blueberry Muffin picture is a bit close and a bit out of focus but it showed the incredible frost so I tossed it in. This is quite a combination of odors, by the way. I can't even describe how good it smells in this tent.

Have a great Friday night guys. Don't get in too much trouble.

Jelly Rancher bud in the scrog.jpg


Jelly Rancher bud 3 in the scrog.jpg


Blueberry Muffin bud in the scrog.jpg
Snow cones anyone. :goodjob:
Bill
 
Excellent, thanks! I was just describing this to a friend who's starting out too & he was also impressed.
Ok DeeBoy, I got you. Here it is step by step with pics. And I provided you the new and improved version, lol. So....

1. Cut cup in half
2. Cut slot out of middle of cup
3. Cut bottom completely out of clear cup
4. Cut bottom out of outer cup but leave enough to not let the clear cup slide through
5. Put cut-in-half cup (this is obviously where your dirt goes, lol) inside clear cup.
6. Put clear cup/cut cup inside the outer red cup

That's all it takes. Now, last time, when I first posted this, I also took the time to poke many a hole all around each cup, I was thinking for air flow, just like in a smart or air pot. But that takes a long time, you have to do it carefully to not split the cup, it's really a pain in the ass, and honestly it's not necessary for seedlings or as long as it will live in the Dixie cup. That's why instead of doing the bottoms as I did on the first try, with lots of holes, I cut the bottoms out completely. That way drainage is supreme. So no holes necessary. Plus I found on the first try that the holes you poke in the bottom have the plastic edges sticking up or down inside or outside of the cup, and either one is problematic - holes sticking up inside the cup compromise the drainage of the hole, and those sticking out from the bottom make it drain unevenly. So I personally have canned the hole poking. But if you choose to poke holes in the cups, you gotta do all three cups or there's no point. Anyway, that was the main upgrade to the system, lol. Just put in your dirt, even out the slot you created so that you can see dirt up and down the slot on both sides of the cup, and you're ready to go. It will pay off in two gigantic, useful ways that will really help you zero in the proper transplant time. Everyone, including me, transplants too soon. I learned that on grow one, and reading @Emilya. Read her stuff on How to Water a Potted Plant. Follow it religiously, and you will develop root balls like you won't believe. I begin her watering method in the Dixie cups, as soon as the plant has two sets of leaves or so. And the results, again, you will see when you transplant, are astounding. You will pull out a perfectly easy root/dirt ball that fills the entire cup without twisting all up on itself cuz you will be able to SEE it. And here's an important thing that Emilya taught me: DON'T judge when to transplant based on seeing roots at the bottom of the cups. DO transplant when you see roots top to bottom on the sides in the slots you made. That's cuz the taproot and associated roots will hit the bottom pretty quickly, and it may appear to be transplant time. So FYI. The last suggestion I have is to get some mycorrhizae, any good brand. For one grow I got the salt shaker sized one by an unsponsored company (GW). Dust your holes with the mycorrhizae before you transplant. When you get to the point of transplant I can help if you need. But basically you just shake the dust into the hole like you would put salt on your food. Try to get it to stick a little to the moist sides of your hole. This will make your roots take off like mad, trust me. And if you combine that with Emilya's watering method, I think you will do really well.

Hope that helps. Grow on! Pictures step by step to followl, and good luck with the grow!!!:

step one.jpg


Step two.jpg


step three.jpg


step four.jpg


step five.jpg


step six.jpg


bottom shot of finished product.jpg
 
Excellent, thanks! I was just describing this to a friend who's starting out too & he was also impressed.
One more suggestion that will really help you to NOT overwater. You have a scale? If not spend $15 and get a cheap one from Amazon or something. It will be invaluable. So once the seedling has a few leaf sets and you're starting to water it for real rather than just with a mister or cap off a water bottle or whatever, and you've begun Emilya's watering method, you water and then let the Dixie cup dry out all the way. Till the leaves start to droop. Then weigh it in the cups. Whatever weight you get is your DRY BASELINE weight. Then when you water again, weigh the cup after you water and after it has had a chance for all runoff to run out. That weight is your WET BASELINE weight. Now just don't water again until the weight of the plant gets back to the dry baseline number. That way you are NEVER overwatering. Just a suggestion but it really helped me in the Dixie cups when it can be hard to water properly sometimes.
 
Yeah, I'm starting to see when a plant "looks" ready a bit more accurately.
Harvest time is a bit more subjective... it's more about what you like or have good success with. That's what makes growing your own such a fun experience... you have the freedom to change things you do not like and learn from your mistakes.
A lot of the leaf turn has to do with what you do with nutes.
As far as nutrients go I'm still looking for the golden egg so if you find a nutrient you like and have good success with stick with it.
 
The one Blueberry Muffin picture is a bit close and a bit out of focus but it showed the incredible frost so I tossed it in.
That blueberry does look to be the frostiest of them all... mirror mirror lol
 
Harvest time is a bit more subjective... it's more about what you like or have good success with. That's what makes growing your own such a fun experience... you have the freedom to change things you do not like and learn from your mistakes.

As far as nutrients go I'm still looking for the golden egg so if you find a nutrient you like and have good success with stick with it.
Thanks. This grow has shown me that I also would like the golden egg of nutes. My only experience is Botanicare and Fox Farms. Both have their ups and downs. Neither is exactly what I want. Thinking about trying Geoflora for the next grow.
 
Thanks. This grow has shown me that I also would like the golden egg of nutes. My only experience is Botanicare and Fox Farms. Both have their ups and downs. Neither is exactly what I want. Thinking about trying Geoflora for the next
I think you are heading in the right direction @Jon
@GeoFlora Nutrients are your best bet.
 
That blueberry does look to be the frostiest of them all... mirror mirror lol
Here's a better picture of each strain, the first is Jelly Rancher the second is Blueberry Muffin.

Better JR shot.jpg


Better Blueberry Muffin shot.jpg
 
Ok DeeBoy, I got you. Here it is step by step with pics. And I provided you the new and improved version, lol. So....

1. Cut cup in half
2. Cut slot out of middle of cup
3. Cut bottom completely out of clear cup
4. Cut bottom out of outer cup but leave enough to not let the clear cup slide through
5. Put cut-in-half cup (this is obviously where your dirt goes, lol) inside clear cup.
6. Put clear cup/cut cup inside the outer red cup

That's all it takes. Now, last time, when I first posted this, I also took the time to poke many a hole all around each cup, I was thinking for air flow, just like in a smart or air pot. But that takes a long time, you have to do it carefully to not split the cup, it's really a pain in the ass, and honestly it's not necessary for seedlings or as long as it will live in the Dixie cup. That's why instead of doing the bottoms as I did on the first try, with lots of holes, I cut the bottoms out completely. That way drainage is supreme. So no holes necessary. Plus I found on the first try that the holes you poke in the bottom have the plastic edges sticking up or down inside or outside of the cup, and either one is problematic - holes sticking up inside the cup compromise the drainage of the hole, and those sticking out from the bottom make it drain unevenly. So I personally have canned the hole poking. But if you choose to poke holes in the cups, you gotta do all three cups or there's no point. Anyway, that was the main upgrade to the system, lol. Just put in your dirt, even out the slot you created so that you can see dirt up and down the slot on both sides of the cup, and you're ready to go. It will pay off in two gigantic, useful ways that will really help you zero in the proper transplant time. Everyone, including me, transplants too soon. I learned that on grow one, and reading @Emilya. Read her stuff on How to Water a Potted Plant. Follow it religiously, and you will develop root balls like you won't believe. I begin her watering method in the Dixie cups, as soon as the plant has two sets of leaves or so. And the results, again, you will see when you transplant, are astounding. You will pull out a perfectly easy root/dirt ball that fills the entire cup without twisting all up on itself cuz you will be able to SEE it. And here's an important thing that Emilya taught me: DON'T judge when to transplant based on seeing roots at the bottom of the cups. DO transplant when you see roots top to bottom on the sides in the slots you made. That's cuz the taproot and associated roots will hit the bottom pretty quickly, and it may appear to be transplant time. So FYI. The last suggestion I have is to get some mycorrhizae, any good brand. For one grow I got the salt shaker sized one by an unsponsored company (GW). Dust your holes with the mycorrhizae before you transplant. When you get to the point of transplant I can help if you need. But basically you just shake the dust into the hole like you would put salt on your food. Try to get it to stick a little to the moist sides of your hole. This will make your roots take off like mad, trust me. And if you combine that with Emilya's watering method, I think you will do really well.

Hope that helps. Grow on! Pictures step by step to followl, and good luck with the grow!!!:

step one.jpg


Step two.jpg


step three.jpg


step four.jpg


step five.jpg


step six.jpg


bottom shot of finished product.jpg
 
Thinking about trying Geoflora for the next grow.
They seem to do the trick from what I've seen around the site. I'm just scared of using organics inside the house due to the gases released during decomposition (think rotting dead animal or plant). I need to amend some soil and let it cook over the summer, I think with enough cook time it would be ok to use inside (yea I'm sensitive :rofl: ).
 
Thanks man! I am definitely doing that next grow. That’s a seriously great idea!
When you transplant it from the Dixie cup you'll be the happiest guy ever. It's so painfully easy.
 
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