Michael Hunt
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Right on man those preflowers look awesome. No doubts about the budding now 
Everyone loves Hypnotoad
Everyone loves Hypnotoad
Jon's Second Grow, First Grow Journal, Soil Grow Autos & Photoperiod
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Hypnotoad! There you go, he's got a name. I was gonna go with Fred, but Hypnotoad is way cooler. Lol. Yeah she's budding in earnest and I have a screen installed. Soon as the GZ and the three CJ grow up through in their stretch, which should be pretty much starting now, they will start to get spread more. The number of bud sites on these autos is literally amazing me. They're going to yield big for how small they are. And they really are pretty plants. I'm psyched to see what the Pineapple Express does. I have three of them, and the way they're going off I think they are going to be the most extensive plants. The specs from 420 Buds says it's a big yielder and vigorous growing plant, and that's definitely the case so far. I really didn't think I would enjoy working these autos so much but they're so small and cute and fast growing that things literally change daily and need attended to every day. That's right up my alley. The two Lemons are the ones that grow the most symmetrically. They're perfect - if you sliced them down the middle each side would look identical. A little slower growing than the other strains, and likely to be the lowest in THC (based on the breeder info) - I really just tossed them in cuz they were freebies and I needed two autos to round out the nine. When the smells begin in this tent, given the strains, I think it's gonna smell like the dankest fruit salad in the world.Right on man those preflowers look awesome. No doubts about the budding now
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Today's update is a request for an opinion from anyone who has one they're willing to share.
I was talking with @Emilya about scrogging. It came up that I could easily fill out the entire 5 x 5 screen in my tent with way less than five plants. Watching @Ivumlow journal tells me that is obviously correct. So we discussed the idea of keeping the best three of the five plants and transplanting instead of into fives, into sevens. So I would have three plants in seven gallons, and if I did that, the best three plants by far are the two Pineapple Upside Down Cakes and the one Jelly Rancher. That would mean either sacrificing two plants or giving them to a buddy. I have no other place to put them that is acceptable to those who deem acceptability important. I am not one of them. I would toss them outside and see what happened. But not an option. So that would hurt me. I love these plants. And it would eliminate a third strain, the Blueberry Muffin. The seeds were almost $13/each. Not a big deal but.....
Seems to me I'm going to fill the screen either way. I sort of see it as six of one, half a dozen of another. So I'm inclined to leave it with the five. But when @Emilya says if it was her, she would go with the three best plants, well, I take her opinion rather seriously.
Anyone else have any input or opinions on this? I'd appreciate any thoughts.
Thanks! Happy fricking Monday.
I was talking with @Emilya about scrogging. It came up that I could easily fill out the entire 5 x 5 screen in my tent with way less than five plants. Watching @Ivumlow journal tells me that is obviously correct. So we discussed the idea of keeping the best three of the five plants and transplanting instead of into fives, into sevens. So I would have three plants in seven gallons, and if I did that, the best three plants by far are the two Pineapple Upside Down Cakes and the one Jelly Rancher. That would mean either sacrificing two plants or giving them to a buddy. I have no other place to put them that is acceptable to those who deem acceptability important. I am not one of them. I would toss them outside and see what happened. But not an option. So that would hurt me. I love these plants. And it would eliminate a third strain, the Blueberry Muffin. The seeds were almost $13/each. Not a big deal but.....
Seems to me I'm going to fill the screen either way. I sort of see it as six of one, half a dozen of another. So I'm inclined to leave it with the five. But when @Emilya says if it was her, she would go with the three best plants, well, I take her opinion rather seriously.
Anyone else have any input or opinions on this? I'd appreciate any thoughts.
Thanks! Happy fricking Monday.
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Autoflower Update:
Well, this is just a quickie photograph today. I took the chance I don't often take and pulled an autoflower out of the tent and into the sun for a natural light photograph. Actually this was my first view of seeing this plant in it's true colors, lol. I hate blurples. Anyway, this is one of my three Cinderella Jack autos from Dutch Passion. I chose to grow this strain because supposedly Cinderella Jack is the world's strongest autoflower in terms of THC content, up to 26%. (Google "world's highest THC autoflower") She is just starting to bud. The other two of her look just like this and are at the exact same point in that they are all on day one or so of budding.
If you can see in the picture, this plant is completely full of bud sites. You can see tons of them in the middle growth inside of the main colas that are pulled to the outside. I may trim one or two leaves off this girl today to get more light to those little bud sites that are low and kind of still hidden a little. She is healthy as can be. She eats up the nutes. As of this morning when I was sure she was in flower she got a nute mix of 50% concentration Big Bloom, 50% Grow Big, and 50% Tiger Bloom. I mean 50% concentration of the suggested Fox Farms schedule. I have yet to see a plant that won't burn if you use the Fox Farms stuff at their recommended dosage. She obviously has had zero nute issues to this point getting the first two at 50% each, so I'm hoping the addition of the Tiger Bloom at 50% doesn't give me any yellow tips. We'll see by tomorrow.
This is a 14" tall little bush. All four of my budding autos are this size and trained the same way. All of them have the same tons of bud sites. WAY more than I ever anticipated.
I'm having a ton more fun with autos than I ever thought I would. I kind of started them as an experiment and kind of had an "I don't really care what happens" attitude. But not now. I can see an 18 ounce harvest from these nine autos if I can pull two ounces a plant. They'll be small but heavy as shit with buds. We'll see. But I'm taking it seriously now. Lol.
Hope this will satisfy those who are ribbing me for the blurple pics.
Well, this is just a quickie photograph today. I took the chance I don't often take and pulled an autoflower out of the tent and into the sun for a natural light photograph. Actually this was my first view of seeing this plant in it's true colors, lol. I hate blurples. Anyway, this is one of my three Cinderella Jack autos from Dutch Passion. I chose to grow this strain because supposedly Cinderella Jack is the world's strongest autoflower in terms of THC content, up to 26%. (Google "world's highest THC autoflower") She is just starting to bud. The other two of her look just like this and are at the exact same point in that they are all on day one or so of budding.
If you can see in the picture, this plant is completely full of bud sites. You can see tons of them in the middle growth inside of the main colas that are pulled to the outside. I may trim one or two leaves off this girl today to get more light to those little bud sites that are low and kind of still hidden a little. She is healthy as can be. She eats up the nutes. As of this morning when I was sure she was in flower she got a nute mix of 50% concentration Big Bloom, 50% Grow Big, and 50% Tiger Bloom. I mean 50% concentration of the suggested Fox Farms schedule. I have yet to see a plant that won't burn if you use the Fox Farms stuff at their recommended dosage. She obviously has had zero nute issues to this point getting the first two at 50% each, so I'm hoping the addition of the Tiger Bloom at 50% doesn't give me any yellow tips. We'll see by tomorrow.
This is a 14" tall little bush. All four of my budding autos are this size and trained the same way. All of them have the same tons of bud sites. WAY more than I ever anticipated.
I'm having a ton more fun with autos than I ever thought I would. I kind of started them as an experiment and kind of had an "I don't really care what happens" attitude. But not now. I can see an 18 ounce harvest from these nine autos if I can pull two ounces a plant. They'll be small but heavy as shit with buds. We'll see. But I'm taking it seriously now. Lol.
Hope this will satisfy those who are ribbing me for the blurple pics.
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Hi Bud love - yeah man, jump on, glad to have you on board! The more the merrier!
Michael Hunt
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I once took a few plants I couldn't bear to throw away and planted them in a forest in a non-descript location. Or maybe i didn't lol . . .
If you do this though, prepare for the feelings of wanting to go back and see how they are doing. And whatever you do, resist. Resist with all your might!
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That's a little tough to do from the chair, but good thought! Maybe I can get a buddy to do that for me and tend to them the rest of the way in exchange for half the harvest or something. Hadn't considered that. Noice.I once took a few plants I couldn't bear to throw away and planted them in a forest in a non-descript location. Or maybe i didn't lol . . .
If you do this though, prepare for the feelings of wanting to go back and see how they are doing. And whatever you do, resist. Resist with all your might!
Michael Hunt
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Shit, i forgot you said you were in a chair. Sorry about that man. Just keep in mind, if someone else finds it out there, they may be watching to see who comes to tend to them. God forbid they follow that person back and somehow link to you.
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My buddy from St Pete is coming over Wednesday to grab an extra bag of perlite I have for him and to see my brother visiting from PA. He has a whole garage setup like an indoor room and I'm sure he could figure out a way to work them in to his room if he wanted. The woods around these parts are probably not the best woods to grow weed in, as you can probably uniquely visualize given geographic proximity. Lol.
Dude!! Awesome training!! Plants are looking great!! And you were correct with everything you replied back to my quote (one page back)
keep up the good work bro!! You’re rockin it!!
keep up the good work bro!! You’re rockin it!!
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Thanks man! Hey I investigated your moniker a little bit and have discovered that you named yourself after a skateboard move. Is this true? I told my buddy this dude named Backlipslide was helping me out some and my buddy said "is he a skateboarder?" and then told me about the move. Lol.Dude!! Awesome training!! Plants are looking great!! And you were correct with everything you replied back to my quote (one page back)
keep up the good work bro!! You’re rockin it!!
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I was wondering - should I release the tie downs on the four autos that are stretching now? Or just leave them? I'm inclined to leave them unless there's a good reason not to. Any thoughts?Dude!! Awesome training!! Plants are looking great!! And you were correct with everything you replied back to my quote (one page back)
keep up the good work bro!! You’re rockin it!!
Michael Hunt
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Nice, at least they will get a good home. Yeah, i can imagine we have a very similar landscape. And it is certainly not the best weather or soil to let mother nature give it a try. I cringe when i hear of people trying to plant seeds in their backyard around here.
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Me too. It's not even soil on this side of the state down here, it's basically two inches of shitty topsoil on top of sand.
Michael Hunt
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It's like that over here as well. And if that topsoil is exposed for even one day, the daily rain will rinse it all away leaving this wonderful sand behind
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Did a very little targeted defoliation on the autos to open up a couple bud sites now that all four original autos are well into the stretch. I'll post a pic in the morning, but here's a picture of the leaves I took off. Just a few on four plants. Honestly I would have and easily could have taken more as there's plenty low ones that could go, and the plants have plenty to power them, but anything upper was so easily tucked that I went with the "If it can be tucked, don't cut it" theory relative to the defol, and anything low, if it wasn't blocking a bud, I left be. I have plenty of moving air from all directions on all the plants so I'm not worried about air flow. They'll come off in about ten days or however long the stretch takes. There's a ton left but I can wait til they're done stretching and do a more major one (that's what I'll likely do) at that time. Just these five leaves opened up multiple bud sites inside the main colas.
These autos are so damned cute. But if the Gorilla Zkittlez is any indication of how fast her buds are going to increase in size these little cuties are going to be beastly producers for their size.
Here's the leaves I just post this picture mainly so I have a record of their health at this point in the grow, but if you're a leaf person, well, here you go. Lol.
These autos are so damned cute. But if the Gorilla Zkittlez is any indication of how fast her buds are going to increase in size these little cuties are going to be beastly producers for their size.
Here's the leaves I just post this picture mainly so I have a record of their health at this point in the grow, but if you're a leaf person, well, here you go. Lol.
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Photoperiod: Day 42 Veg
Autoflower: Day 31 (4), Day 23 (2), Day 19 (3)
Photoperiod:
Girls starting to pick up the pace of new growth. If you zoom in on basically any cola on any plant, you can see how all of these strains are stacking SUPER tight. All of them. That's quite unexpected given it's three different strains. That tells me that a lot of that is due to the light. Which makes me happy. They would be significantly larger if I hadn't cost them eight days of growth. (that's my unfortunate estimate) However the upside is, now they're going gangbusters, and now they're on Day 42, so they are definitely going at least my target 60 days in veg, most likely a bit longer. I will be transplanting the girls on Friday, Day 44, and it'll take them at least 16 days from there to fill the screen 75%. (I think, lol) All of them are either at 36 hours or low 30s to drain their pots to bone dry, so Friday will work and I expect them to take off even more once they hit their final homes. All continues to proceed as the last post in phototown, nothing at all has changed other than I gave all the photos a shot of CalMag plus Iron a watering ago if I didn't already mention that. They continue to work on 50% Big Bloom and 50% Grow Big. The tiny bit of lower discoloration on the few leaves you can see it on, mostly on the one Jelly Rancher, is just leaves I chose to leave while they were still moderately operational. All the new growth is sweet as hell for a while now. Excited for the transplant.
Autoflower:
Crazy fast moving tent those autos are damnit. So several changes since the last post:
- Installed a screen. Won't exactly scrog them as they are already well into the stretch and showing buds, but I will use the screen to keep the nine plants separated and to separate the buds themselves on each plant as much as possible. It will provide support and it will allow me to separate buds to get more air and make the defoliation much more obvious and easy to select. I believe I am going to let the buds grow up through the screen during the now stretch, positioning them in holes as they get tall enough, and then run the leaves once the stretch stops under the canopy. If any leaf won't go under the screen it will in theory be above the screen but smaller and part of those leaves that surround the buds. Therefore every three or four days after that I should be able to gradually remove all the leaves above the canopy so that they are basically bare buds when they have a week or two left. That would be in a perfect world, but that's kind of the goal. Based on their current size and width I now feel all nine plants are going to fit in the tent without any of them touching one another above the canopy. So I don't know what to call what I'm doing, but I believe whatever you want to call it, it should increase my yield and it makes logical sense to me. If I am missing something or am obviously ignorant to something that says this plan is NOT a good idea or needs an adjustment, (which is almost certainly the case, lol), PLEASE educate me. I just solicited you so it won't be unsolicited advice.
- This one is even more exciting and educational, at least for me. The lights. They were sitting at about 28" above the plants and the plants were getting hit with a very even footprint of about 725 par. They loved that in early and medium veg. But now the four plants are way budding, with the Gorilla Zkittlez leading the Cinderella Jacks by about four or five days. That's it for those strains. The other strains are 420 FastBuds Pineapple Express auto and *unnamed company* Lemon auto. 3 Pineapple, 2 Lemon. All five of them are within four days of one another which is close enough. But they're all still currently in veg. This is the rub of growing multiple strains under the same light, I am now learning. There is almost zero possibility that all the different strains are going to react to things the same way, including everything from watering to nutes but also including how they respond to the light. So what do you do? Lol. Never considered this. I knew all five would be good at 725 par, but that's about all I was sure of. So I realize I had a decision to make and decided that I care much more for these four Cinderella Jacks and Gorilla Zkittlez than I do for the others. If I had to choose. I chose. So I LOWERED THE LIGHTS TO BUDDING HEIGHT OR CLOSE TO IT. Specifically I lowered them to 19". I know that the lights will burn the plants at about 16", not so much from heat but from par, cuz it happened my first grow and I spent a ton of time tying down buds. So that still gives me three inches to play with (at the moment) and I will raise the lights when the plants hit the 16" mark and work it like that. So to my astonishment, when I lowered the lights 9 inches it increased my par numbers to a maximum in the very middle sweet spot of 1220 and a minimum on the very edges and corners of 910. Those numbers are amazing. I LOVE them. The obvious question now is, will the plants. So I'm watching like a hawk. I believe the budding girls will eat it up. It's the plants not yet budding that are now getting hammered. Lol. We'll see if they can take it. Otherwise I'll have more decisions to make. But it's been about 9 hours now and they all are loving it so far. These pics are from the morning right after I lowered the lights.
- I released all the plants from the ties that were holding them horizontal and were attached to either a skewer or the handle of the pot. The plants are begging their stretching. I let the bonds loose on a couple and to my surprise they stayed where they were. I guess they were there long enough to get "set" there, which if that's why is a phenomenal bit of unplanned luckiness. Anyway, since they stayed in place I eliminated all the ties. The skewers you see in the pics are crisscrossed under the bud and are holding it higher so it's closer to the others and getting light. But nothing is tied down. I figure now that the screen is in there's no reason to keep them tied, and it is in fact counterproductive at this point.
- I watered all the plants to the point of soaking their entire pots to runoff for the first time, now that I believe their rootballs should now be reaching close enough to the edges and bottom that they can work a full pot. MAN does that make life easier, lol. Only difference was that I used two different nute mixes. The four budding plants got Tiger Bloom at 50% on top of the same other two at 50% the veg plants got. WOW do these plants eat nutrients. It's nutty. Still not the slightest blemish. Sidenote: also no problems whatsoever from the few leaves I removed. They didn't even blink. Anyway, an hour after that watering the plants were happier than I had yet seen them. They respond so quickly it blows my mind. That was yesterday. The group shots were taken first thing this morning at six am a few minutes after waking them up from their two hour beauty rests. Lol. So they are all MUCH more perked out and leaves standing straight out than in the pic. Truly awesome little plants.
So that's significant changes in Autotown, and they are being closely monitored. Soon they will have to be moved out to their final resting spots, right before they hit the screen where it's set, which gives them about four inches to grow.
For real, guys, if there is anyone who has a suggestion or point out something I'm doing wrong or could improve on or whatever, PLEASE let me know. I'm here to learn and I promise you all get credit for my final product. LOL.
Photographs:
- Group shot autoflowers side view
- Group shot autoflowers opposite view
- Closeup Gorilla Zkittlez
- Closeup Cinderella Jack 1
- Closeup Cinderella Jack 2
- Closeup Cinderella Jack 3
- Closeup Pineapple Express 1
- Closeup Lemon 1
- Group shot Phototown
Happy Wednesday guys. My brother is in town. Haven't seen him in a year because of the damn virus and he lives in PA where I moved here from. We are both professional musicians and are putting on a show on our back lennai for the neighborhood and livestreaming it on Facebook tonight. First time jamming with another musician, brother or not, in a year. COVID SUCKS. So....Very excited. Plants are providing good karma for this show. Lol.
Happy Growing!
Autoflower: Day 31 (4), Day 23 (2), Day 19 (3)
Photoperiod:
Girls starting to pick up the pace of new growth. If you zoom in on basically any cola on any plant, you can see how all of these strains are stacking SUPER tight. All of them. That's quite unexpected given it's three different strains. That tells me that a lot of that is due to the light. Which makes me happy. They would be significantly larger if I hadn't cost them eight days of growth. (that's my unfortunate estimate) However the upside is, now they're going gangbusters, and now they're on Day 42, so they are definitely going at least my target 60 days in veg, most likely a bit longer. I will be transplanting the girls on Friday, Day 44, and it'll take them at least 16 days from there to fill the screen 75%. (I think, lol) All of them are either at 36 hours or low 30s to drain their pots to bone dry, so Friday will work and I expect them to take off even more once they hit their final homes. All continues to proceed as the last post in phototown, nothing at all has changed other than I gave all the photos a shot of CalMag plus Iron a watering ago if I didn't already mention that. They continue to work on 50% Big Bloom and 50% Grow Big. The tiny bit of lower discoloration on the few leaves you can see it on, mostly on the one Jelly Rancher, is just leaves I chose to leave while they were still moderately operational. All the new growth is sweet as hell for a while now. Excited for the transplant.
Autoflower:
Crazy fast moving tent those autos are damnit. So several changes since the last post:
- Installed a screen. Won't exactly scrog them as they are already well into the stretch and showing buds, but I will use the screen to keep the nine plants separated and to separate the buds themselves on each plant as much as possible. It will provide support and it will allow me to separate buds to get more air and make the defoliation much more obvious and easy to select. I believe I am going to let the buds grow up through the screen during the now stretch, positioning them in holes as they get tall enough, and then run the leaves once the stretch stops under the canopy. If any leaf won't go under the screen it will in theory be above the screen but smaller and part of those leaves that surround the buds. Therefore every three or four days after that I should be able to gradually remove all the leaves above the canopy so that they are basically bare buds when they have a week or two left. That would be in a perfect world, but that's kind of the goal. Based on their current size and width I now feel all nine plants are going to fit in the tent without any of them touching one another above the canopy. So I don't know what to call what I'm doing, but I believe whatever you want to call it, it should increase my yield and it makes logical sense to me. If I am missing something or am obviously ignorant to something that says this plan is NOT a good idea or needs an adjustment, (which is almost certainly the case, lol), PLEASE educate me. I just solicited you so it won't be unsolicited advice.
- This one is even more exciting and educational, at least for me. The lights. They were sitting at about 28" above the plants and the plants were getting hit with a very even footprint of about 725 par. They loved that in early and medium veg. But now the four plants are way budding, with the Gorilla Zkittlez leading the Cinderella Jacks by about four or five days. That's it for those strains. The other strains are 420 FastBuds Pineapple Express auto and *unnamed company* Lemon auto. 3 Pineapple, 2 Lemon. All five of them are within four days of one another which is close enough. But they're all still currently in veg. This is the rub of growing multiple strains under the same light, I am now learning. There is almost zero possibility that all the different strains are going to react to things the same way, including everything from watering to nutes but also including how they respond to the light. So what do you do? Lol. Never considered this. I knew all five would be good at 725 par, but that's about all I was sure of. So I realize I had a decision to make and decided that I care much more for these four Cinderella Jacks and Gorilla Zkittlez than I do for the others. If I had to choose. I chose. So I LOWERED THE LIGHTS TO BUDDING HEIGHT OR CLOSE TO IT. Specifically I lowered them to 19". I know that the lights will burn the plants at about 16", not so much from heat but from par, cuz it happened my first grow and I spent a ton of time tying down buds. So that still gives me three inches to play with (at the moment) and I will raise the lights when the plants hit the 16" mark and work it like that. So to my astonishment, when I lowered the lights 9 inches it increased my par numbers to a maximum in the very middle sweet spot of 1220 and a minimum on the very edges and corners of 910. Those numbers are amazing. I LOVE them. The obvious question now is, will the plants. So I'm watching like a hawk. I believe the budding girls will eat it up. It's the plants not yet budding that are now getting hammered. Lol. We'll see if they can take it. Otherwise I'll have more decisions to make. But it's been about 9 hours now and they all are loving it so far. These pics are from the morning right after I lowered the lights.
- I released all the plants from the ties that were holding them horizontal and were attached to either a skewer or the handle of the pot. The plants are begging their stretching. I let the bonds loose on a couple and to my surprise they stayed where they were. I guess they were there long enough to get "set" there, which if that's why is a phenomenal bit of unplanned luckiness. Anyway, since they stayed in place I eliminated all the ties. The skewers you see in the pics are crisscrossed under the bud and are holding it higher so it's closer to the others and getting light. But nothing is tied down. I figure now that the screen is in there's no reason to keep them tied, and it is in fact counterproductive at this point.
- I watered all the plants to the point of soaking their entire pots to runoff for the first time, now that I believe their rootballs should now be reaching close enough to the edges and bottom that they can work a full pot. MAN does that make life easier, lol. Only difference was that I used two different nute mixes. The four budding plants got Tiger Bloom at 50% on top of the same other two at 50% the veg plants got. WOW do these plants eat nutrients. It's nutty. Still not the slightest blemish. Sidenote: also no problems whatsoever from the few leaves I removed. They didn't even blink. Anyway, an hour after that watering the plants were happier than I had yet seen them. They respond so quickly it blows my mind. That was yesterday. The group shots were taken first thing this morning at six am a few minutes after waking them up from their two hour beauty rests. Lol. So they are all MUCH more perked out and leaves standing straight out than in the pic. Truly awesome little plants.
So that's significant changes in Autotown, and they are being closely monitored. Soon they will have to be moved out to their final resting spots, right before they hit the screen where it's set, which gives them about four inches to grow.
For real, guys, if there is anyone who has a suggestion or point out something I'm doing wrong or could improve on or whatever, PLEASE let me know. I'm here to learn and I promise you all get credit for my final product. LOL.
Photographs:
- Group shot autoflowers side view
- Group shot autoflowers opposite view
- Closeup Gorilla Zkittlez
- Closeup Cinderella Jack 1
- Closeup Cinderella Jack 2
- Closeup Cinderella Jack 3
- Closeup Pineapple Express 1
- Closeup Lemon 1
- Group shot Phototown
Happy Wednesday guys. My brother is in town. Haven't seen him in a year because of the damn virus and he lives in PA where I moved here from. We are both professional musicians and are putting on a show on our back lennai for the neighborhood and livestreaming it on Facebook tonight. First time jamming with another musician, brother or not, in a year. COVID SUCKS. So....Very excited. Plants are providing good karma for this show. Lol.
Happy Growing!
Haha yes sir!! It is indeed a skateboard trick. It goes, Back side lip slide is the correct term. I love throwing those down, they feel so smooth!
here’s an example,
Post in thread 'The Alberta Photo Dump'
https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/the-alberta-photo-dump.498755/post-5279501
That’s not me.. I can’t take the credit lmao!!
I usually leave them on right till harvest, you can keep sinching them up or just leave them alone if you like the overal canopy!!
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Photoperiod Update Day 43 Veg:
Made a few executive decisions.
- Pots are all draining in less than 36 hours. Decided tomorrow morning is transplanting time. The fives are already prepped. In anticipation of transplant, late this afternoon I flushed all the plants with clean water and a dose of Cal Mag plus Iron. They're in one gallon pots. I didn't do a true flush, ie, running three times the pot volume through and all that. But I ran a gallon of water through each of them. Let's call it a mini-flush. That should be enough to reset them before hitting the fresh soil and also leave them at a good moisture level for transplant. Just to make sure they were ready I checked the bottoms of all my pots, where I had drilled extra drainage holes, and I have the tips of roots showing in all the holes. Then I took a pair of scissors and cut from one of my very lowest side holes that I put in the pots to the next one, a distance hole to hole of maybe four inches, and cut up a half inch on each side, creating a little flap. I lift up the flap and I have roots at the bottom on the very side of the container. Good enough for me. So I'll post a picture of the girls tomorrow after transplanting.
- I am still getting a touch of nute burn on the Jelly Ranchers and the Blueberry Muffin. Since I am 100% certain I solved the height of the light issue, I am equally certain I am looking at that. And now that I know it's that I can see the difference between light crisp symptom/leaf look vs. nute burn symptom/leaf look. (CAVEAT: Obviously those things are very specific to my specific setup, grow medium, light, nutes, environment, watering habits, etc, so I believe any observations I have about these symptoms are sort of on the specific side of my grow/mistakes, not a reflection of the genetics of the strains involved) Light burn for me is like the leaves got dried out on the sides and started curling and getting crispy, along with a general yellowing/lightening of color of the new growth coming out. The nute burn I'm getting is more like brown dots that start at the tips of the leaves and yellow the leaf anywhere they are and over the course of three of four days kill that leaf as far as the brown dots progressed. That's why you see several of my leaves "squared off," because I cut off the brown dot part in the attempt to save the rest of the leaf that is still photosynthetically active. They grow back out, lol, so I save what I can. I hate that crap and I hate the look of it so also in anticipation of transplant I gave the plants that needed it a tiny haircut and removed any nute burn growth.
- BECAUSE OF THE ABOVE I made the more important executive decision to change up my nutes on the photos. Since they are only getting the Big Bloom and the Grow Big, and the Big Bloom is basically only worm crap and fish crap and is organic, it is a pretty safe bet that the burn is coming from the Grow Big. This is the first chemical nutrient in the Fox Farms trio, and it's 6-4-4. I *suspect* that the plants are not liking the nitrogen levels that high, especially since they're also getting some level of nitrogen both from the existing soil and the Big Bloom. My second guess is that of the other two (phosphate, potash) it's the phosphate level that could maybe come down a hair. Again, I'm just trying to figure it out here, and am making somewhat educated guesses. If anyone has any input I'd love to hear it. I will post closeup pics of the last haircut leaves I take off them in the morning to show better what I'm talking about, but since it's happening to two of my three strains (the Pineapple Upside Down Cakes don't seem to care what I do to them, lol and thank god...), and since I have already lowered my nute levels/concentrations twice, it seems logical that maybe a gentler veg nute may work better for these guys. And since it's veg and they only have three or so more weeks to stay there, I highly doubt the Pineapples are going to mind a slightly gentler nute. THEREFORE, I happen to have a bunch left from my first grow of Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Grow for Veg, which my plants loved on my first grow. This stuff is 3-2-4. So half the nitrogen and half the phosphate with the same level of potash. Unquestionably gentler, closer to organic (they claim it's organic, but it's not accepted as such in California, so in my book that's not organic, lol, but definitely closer than the Grow Big). We'll see how they respond to that, starting at 50% of their recommended concentration. If THAT'S not okay and they don't like that I may discontinue veg nutes til I flip them, but I don't think that'll be the case. I believe they will respond positively to the change.
- The last thing the transplant paves the way for is the plants going into their final positions and the scrog screen being installed. I need to put it back together, restring the screen, and put it in the tent, but all it's been waiting on is for the plants to be in their final homes.
So lots of stuff going on there. Pics in the morning.
Made a few executive decisions.
- Pots are all draining in less than 36 hours. Decided tomorrow morning is transplanting time. The fives are already prepped. In anticipation of transplant, late this afternoon I flushed all the plants with clean water and a dose of Cal Mag plus Iron. They're in one gallon pots. I didn't do a true flush, ie, running three times the pot volume through and all that. But I ran a gallon of water through each of them. Let's call it a mini-flush. That should be enough to reset them before hitting the fresh soil and also leave them at a good moisture level for transplant. Just to make sure they were ready I checked the bottoms of all my pots, where I had drilled extra drainage holes, and I have the tips of roots showing in all the holes. Then I took a pair of scissors and cut from one of my very lowest side holes that I put in the pots to the next one, a distance hole to hole of maybe four inches, and cut up a half inch on each side, creating a little flap. I lift up the flap and I have roots at the bottom on the very side of the container. Good enough for me. So I'll post a picture of the girls tomorrow after transplanting.
- I am still getting a touch of nute burn on the Jelly Ranchers and the Blueberry Muffin. Since I am 100% certain I solved the height of the light issue, I am equally certain I am looking at that. And now that I know it's that I can see the difference between light crisp symptom/leaf look vs. nute burn symptom/leaf look. (CAVEAT: Obviously those things are very specific to my specific setup, grow medium, light, nutes, environment, watering habits, etc, so I believe any observations I have about these symptoms are sort of on the specific side of my grow/mistakes, not a reflection of the genetics of the strains involved) Light burn for me is like the leaves got dried out on the sides and started curling and getting crispy, along with a general yellowing/lightening of color of the new growth coming out. The nute burn I'm getting is more like brown dots that start at the tips of the leaves and yellow the leaf anywhere they are and over the course of three of four days kill that leaf as far as the brown dots progressed. That's why you see several of my leaves "squared off," because I cut off the brown dot part in the attempt to save the rest of the leaf that is still photosynthetically active. They grow back out, lol, so I save what I can. I hate that crap and I hate the look of it so also in anticipation of transplant I gave the plants that needed it a tiny haircut and removed any nute burn growth.
- BECAUSE OF THE ABOVE I made the more important executive decision to change up my nutes on the photos. Since they are only getting the Big Bloom and the Grow Big, and the Big Bloom is basically only worm crap and fish crap and is organic, it is a pretty safe bet that the burn is coming from the Grow Big. This is the first chemical nutrient in the Fox Farms trio, and it's 6-4-4. I *suspect* that the plants are not liking the nitrogen levels that high, especially since they're also getting some level of nitrogen both from the existing soil and the Big Bloom. My second guess is that of the other two (phosphate, potash) it's the phosphate level that could maybe come down a hair. Again, I'm just trying to figure it out here, and am making somewhat educated guesses. If anyone has any input I'd love to hear it. I will post closeup pics of the last haircut leaves I take off them in the morning to show better what I'm talking about, but since it's happening to two of my three strains (the Pineapple Upside Down Cakes don't seem to care what I do to them, lol and thank god...), and since I have already lowered my nute levels/concentrations twice, it seems logical that maybe a gentler veg nute may work better for these guys. And since it's veg and they only have three or so more weeks to stay there, I highly doubt the Pineapples are going to mind a slightly gentler nute. THEREFORE, I happen to have a bunch left from my first grow of Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Grow for Veg, which my plants loved on my first grow. This stuff is 3-2-4. So half the nitrogen and half the phosphate with the same level of potash. Unquestionably gentler, closer to organic (they claim it's organic, but it's not accepted as such in California, so in my book that's not organic, lol, but definitely closer than the Grow Big). We'll see how they respond to that, starting at 50% of their recommended concentration. If THAT'S not okay and they don't like that I may discontinue veg nutes til I flip them, but I don't think that'll be the case. I believe they will respond positively to the change.
- The last thing the transplant paves the way for is the plants going into their final positions and the scrog screen being installed. I need to put it back together, restring the screen, and put it in the tent, but all it's been waiting on is for the plants to be in their final homes.
So lots of stuff going on there. Pics in the morning.