Jon's Second Grow, First Grow Journal, Soil Grow Autos & Photoperiod

[Jon]

Photoperiod: Day 26 Veg
Autoflower: Day 15 (4), Day 7 (2), Day 3 (3)

Photoperiod:
It takes a bit longer for recovery and revving up the new growth and the plants taking off after topping and over nute-ing than I thought. These girls are doing well, but the water uptake is slowed and growth is slow still. They are draining the pots in around 36 hours, although the most recent round is getting closer to 30 hours. We will not transplant today. They will wait until they are more significantly recovered and the drain is 24 hours, maybe two or three days. I have roots starting to show themselves in the bottoms of all the pots, so they're close to transplant. In the pictures there's a top and full shot of the sickly Jelly Rancher. There's also a picture of the other Jelly Rancher, who looks nothing like this. This poor girl. I hope she's going to bounce back, and if anyone can give me some hope or some horrible reality based on the pictures I'd appreciate it. I just can't figure why this one plant was SO affected compared to the others. The other thing you can see from the Jelly Rancher pics is that I *think* it's safe to say I got two different phenotypes of this plant? The healthier one looks pretty indica-ish while the sickly looking one is growing clearly like a sativa. The other interesting possibly phenotype related thing is the two Pineapple Upside Down Cakes. They are growing the same way and look the same, only one is like a mini version of the other. She's my runt but I have a good feeling that she's going to be one of the best plants. Both of the PUCs are very bushy and I'm kind of wondering if I should do anything there or just let them go? My gut says just let them go for now. All of them. The Blueberry Muffin continues to be my favorite. She has a gorgeous shade of lime green and I love the way she's busing out.

I also started LST on these guys. Not sure if you can tell in the pictures that I have started gently bending out the new cola branches. A little at a time. I don't really want to get into tying and all that until they get transplanted, but certainly I can start bending.

Recovery time sucks. Causes me stress. Lol.

Autoflowers:
The autos are doing well and causing me no stress whatsoever. Lol. I see now that they simply grow differently than photoperiod plants. At least these do. The newer seedlings are growing exactly the same way the first four bigger plants grew. All nine of them appear to grow slow, and low, to my eye. New seedlings seem to take a lot longer to start developing leaves than the photoperiod plants. The four transplants from yesterday all look great and don't seem at all stressed in their new homes. Things in the auto tent look pretty much like yesterday's picture. I am going to start SUPER GENTLE feeding on the four transplants with the next watering and see how they like it. I will most assuredly start LOW and work up. Heh.

Pictures:
The pictures, top to bottom:
- Group shot of the girls this morning
- Side shot of the sickly Jelly Rancher
- Top shot of the sickly Jelly Rancher
- Top shot of the Blueberry Muffin
- Top shot of healthy Jelly Rancher
- Top shot of larger Pineapple Upside Down Cake
- Top shot of smaller Pineapple Upside Down Cake

If anyone has any input on the Jelly Rancher who is having a hard time I would love to hear it. Thanks guys. She looks a little worse to my eye than she does in the pictures. It could be I'm all worked up over nothing and just need to be patient and let her recover.

Happy Growing!

 

[Michael Hunt]

For that little girl being stunted, she really does look pretty good still. I was expecting a whole lot worse honestly.

If you ever feel like the garden is moving a bit slow try taking a day or two off from peeping on them. It definitely takes some self control, a bit of faith (that nothing bad will happen), and a bit of planning just to make sure nothing bad happens. It's amazing what a few "days away" can do to your perception of how fast they grow.

 

[Jon]

For that little girl being stunted, she really does look pretty good still. I was expecting a whole lot worse honestly.

If you ever feel like the garden is moving a bit slow try taking a day or two off from peeping on them. It definitely takes some self control, a bit of faith (that nothing bad will happen), and a bit of planning just to make sure nothing bad happens. It's amazing what a few "days away" can do to your perception of how fast they grow.

If you are referring to the smaller Pineapple Upside Down Cake (the smallest plant), I don't think I stunted her. She has been growing like that since the beginning, playing catch up. I think she looks great, just small so far. I have no problem with her. If you're referring to the sickly Jelly Rancher, well, maybe it's not as bad as it seems to my eye, and that's probably great advice about staying out of the tent. I just checked both tents and did whatever needed to be done to make sure I don't have to go into the grow room at all until tonight when I check them before bed. That's a good start if I can do it. You're right - I can see already how difficult that is. Discipline...discipline...Lol. Anyway, thanks. My buddy in Oregon told me to calm down and that the plant would be just fine in a week.

 

[Michael Hunt]

If you are referring to the smaller Pineapple Upside Down Cake (the smallest plant), I don't think I stunted her. She has been growing like that since the beginning, playing catch up. I think she looks great, just small so far. I have no problem with her. If you're referring to the sickly Jelly Rancher, well, maybe it's not as bad as it seems to my eye, and that's probably great advice about staying out of the tent. I just checked both tents and did whatever needed to be done to make sure I don't have to go into the grow room at all until tonight when I check them before bed. That's a good start if I can do it. You're right - I can see already how difficult that is. Discipline...discipline...Lol. Anyway, thanks. My buddy in Oregon told me to calm down and that the plant would be just fine in a week.

I was referring to the jolly rancher lol. They all look great to me honestly It's definitely tough staying out of there. Especially when flower starts and there's a whole 12 hours you cant mess with anything inside the tent. You got this man

 

[Backlipslide]

Thats what I used to do. Always picking at them. Then I had some get out of hand in the flower room that I couldn't reach. I got one of my best harvests ever.
I'm glad it works for you,we all do our best in different ways. Since that harvest i don't pluck ,except to lollipop below light level. I just let them go oh natural.

Yes sir, every grower is different, and I didn’t make that comment to say, “hey! You need to do it this way!” It was said so that he make the call and decide for him self on how or if he wants to clip some leaves off... just a suggestion

I see. Thanks. I go back and forth on this one. My only concern/question at the moment was about those fans left from topping, but I was able to tuck them on four of the five plants. The other ones and all of them will go probably tomorrow, or Tuesday, whichever day is transplant day. This is a perfect example of the multitude of 50/50 calls you have to make over the course of a grow, and one you'll NEVER find a consensus on. LOL.

Yes sir, if you or anyone can get away without clipping any off... it’s completely up to you

 

[Bill284]

My one Jelly Rancher is looking very sickly. She's pale and thin and droopy. She is the plant that for some reason took the brunt of the over nute-ing. All five have been raised identically in every way. None have been over watered - I've been watering to weight since the beginning. All have now basically been "mini-flushed" twice since the over-nute feeding. All five show perfect ph. There have been no issues whatsoever with bugs, mold, mites, climate, humidity, ph, light, watering, or anything. Literally the only mistake I have made with these girls was that over nute-ing. And they all paid some price, but on the other four it was minimal compared to the sickly one, and all of the other four have bounced back from it perfectly. They look great. But the one Jelly Rancher...I don't know. The nutes killed more leaf material on her than any other plant, which I removed, but she still has plenty of leaf. I just can't imagine why she would be SO affected and the others not.

I have no choice but to watch her and see if she bounces back. There's not a single issue going on that I can identify other than recovering from the nute thing. I hope she does. If she goes, we go with a four plant scrog instead of five. Obviously way too late to start a replacement. That would suck, but I could live with it, and I am 100% certain I can fill the screen with four plants.

I'll post a picture in the morning. See how she looks after they sleep.

Ugh.

Do you have any super thrive or b1. Might help her pick back up.

 

[Jon]

Yes sir, every grower is different, and I didn’t make that comment to say, “hey! You need to do it this way!” It was said so that he make the call and decide for him self on how or if he wants to clip some leaves off... just a suggestion



Yes sir, if you or anyone can get away without clipping any off... it’s completely up to you

For the record, I know none of you guys are ever saying "you should do it this way." Neither am I, ever. I think we're all on the same page when it comes to that. Just tossing out what works for you to give alternate perspectives. At the end of the day, every decision is up to us. I never take any suggestions or input as directives. I take them all as suggested potential help. It's cool.

 

[Jon]

Do you have any super thrive or b1. Might help her pick back up.

I do not have either of those things. Something I should research? I was also researching silica based additives for later on in the grow, post transplant to the fives. I can and will do the research, but can you possibly talk a little bit about those things?

 

[Jon]

Do you have any super thrive or b1. Might help her pick back up.

She's looking better today. I think the progression of the nute burn has stopped after two "mini flushes." I can't for the life of me figure out why this girl got it so bad. Maybe I had shaken the nute water more thoroughly or less thoroughly and the plants got different water/nute concentrations even though ostensibly they all got the same thing? Cuz on the other four plants, the burn progressed only to the edges of the leaves on the first two nodes. That was it, it stopped, all the new growth is perfect. No problems. This girl the burn made it all the way to the new growth. Not a lot, just a little. I could see how it got less with each "level." And now it's been the first 24 hour period where I have not seen the burn progress a little further. So I *think* she'll be okay despite that I had to cut off more growth than I would have otherwise cuz it was dead. I've seen many many plants in journals here that look just like this girl and the growth grows back out and the plant becomes great. So additives aside I think she'll be okay. I plant to kind of "restart" the nutes when I transplant, just at human levels, lol.

 

[Bill284]

I do not have either of those things. Something I should research? I was also researching silica based additives for later on in the grow, post transplant to the fives. I can and will do the research, but can you possibly talk a little bit about those things?

Most seaweed based additives are good for girls that need a little boost to the system. They help with overall health. I use potassium silicate also, it helps make your girls more sturdy, and resilient. I also use roots excelurator gold once a week on everyone. Your roots are vital to health and growth. Make sure you get a root health product as well.

 

[Jon]

Most seaweed based additives are good for girls that need a little boost to the system. They help with overall health. I use potassium silicate also, it helps make your girls more sturdy, and resilient. I also use roots excelurator gold once a week on everyone. Your roots are vital to health and growth. Make sure you get a root health product as well.

Understood about the seaweed based additives. Like something with kelp? And the potassium silicate I understand helps the plants with it's cellular development. So both of those are winners, and easy. I'm guessing Fox Farms may sell a silicate product that "goes with" their nute line? Or do you have a suggestion for a high quality silica product? As far as the roots, I have used Great White for every transplant and that has worked well so far. I planned to give it to them once a month or once every three weeks in the watering as directed. Will that suffice for a root health product, or would it be wise to consider something like Kangaroots or whatever?

Sorry for all the questions, and thank you.

 

[Bill284]

Understood about the seaweed based additives. Like something with kelp? And the potassium silicate I understand helps the plants with it's cellular development. So both of those are winners, and easy. I'm guessing Fox Farms may sell a silicate product that "goes with" their nute line? Or do you have a suggestion for a high quality silica product? As far as the roots, I have used Great White for every transplant and that has worked well so far. I planned to give it to them once a month or once every three weeks in the watering as directed. Will that suffice for a root health product, or would it be wise to consider something like Kangaroots or whatever?

Sorry for all the questions, and thank you.

As long as it says potassium silicate, it will be fine with your nutrients.
If memory serves me great white is a dry amendment. There are several liquid based root growth products, which is good for monthly use. From what I understand Kangaroots is a good product, and will help you.

 

[Jon]

As long as it says potassium silicate, it will be fine with your nutrients.
If memory serves me great white is a dry amendment. There are several liquid based root growth products, which is good for monthly use. From what I understand Kangaroots is a good product, and will help you.

Yes, Great White is a dry powder. I sprinkle the transplant holes with it. It made my roots explode. But I think based on research that Kangaroots (that's the one I gravitate to) would be better for overall root health, and I much prefer the liquid based products. I'll check it out. Thanks. The other thing I considered was foliar feeding, but I'm not going to do that. I don't like the idea of spraying my plants, then you have to do it at night before the lights go out cuz you can't spray with the lights on, and etc, etc. Just not my thing I don't think. Nobody has yet shown me anything to convince me it's necessary at all, especially if you're already using nutes in the watering.

 

[Bill284]

Yes, Great White is a dry powder. I sprinkle the transplant holes with it. It made my roots explode. But I think based on research that Kangaroots (that's the one I gravitate to) would be better for overall root health, and I much prefer the liquid based products. I'll check it out. Thanks. The other thing I considered was foliar feeding, but I'm not going to do that. I don't like the idea of spraying my plants, then you have to do it at night before the lights go out cuz you can't spray with the lights on, and etc, etc. Just not my thing I don't think. Nobody has yet shown me anything to convince me it's necessary at all, especially if you're already using nutes in the watering.

If your girls are healthy, no need to spray. Kangaroots sounds good for root growth.

 

[Jon]

Photoperiod: Day 29 Veg
Autoflower: Day 18 (4), Day 10 (2), Day 6 (3)

Photoperiod:
Raising the light saved my plants. The four that weren't getting hurt were mere moments from looking just like the one plant I was worried about. Manufacturer's specs a bit too strong for my girls. Got them down to around 35,000-40,000 Lux, ie, around 650-700 par. HUMAN normal good light numbers for veg, and now for a bit they can just grow to the light. It wouldn't hurt them to stretch a bit anyway if that happens. No more furnace blasting. Lol. Anyway all of them are recovered, all are about to take off, all are likely to be transplanted tomorrow morning, and all are over what I did to them. I "restarted" their nute schedule today with just the Big Bloom organic stuff at 50%, even though they handled 75% fine the first couple times. But since I'll soon add back the Grow Big at maybe 25% I'll respect the two nutes together and keep them at non-burn levels. Lol.

Numbers:
Average temperature: 68-70 (night), 75-80 (day)
Average humidity: 45-60 percent
Light: Approximately 700 par/40,000 lux
Nutes: Restarted today with week two of FF nute schedule at 50% concentration Big Bloom only.

Autoflower:
The autos are taking the hell off. The four lead ladies who got transplanted three days ago are partying like it's 1999, and loving their 3 gallon condos. They look perfect and they also look like they'll get biggish for autos as I understand it. I will start LST on them as soon as the next node is out and I have something enough to work with. The second two on day 10 are close to transplant, maybe two or three more days, and the other three seedlings on day 6 are just perfectly healthy seedlings. I'm surprised at how well they're doing and I hope they stay in veg a long long time. Lol.

Numbers:
Average temperature: 72-74 (night), 76-80 (day)
Average humidity: 55-75 percent
Light: Approximately 650 par/35,000 lux
Nutes: Began week one of FF nute schedule on the transplanted girls with first transplant watering, Big Bloom for the first two weeks. Will likely chop that time down a bit since autos and only do one week of that before adding the week three Grow Big.

Pictures:
- Front shot all the photos
- Back shot all the photos
- Lemon Auto Day 10
- Pineapple Express Auto Day 10
- Cinderella Jack Auto Day 18
- Gorilla Zkittlez Auto Day 18

Almost the weekend! March Madness starts today! Happy Growing everyone, have a great weekend.

 

[Michael Hunt]

Photoperiod: Day 29 Veg
Autoflower: Day 18 (4), Day 10 (2), Day 6 (3)

Photoperiod:
Raising the light saved my plants. The four that weren't getting hurt were mere moments from looking just like the one plant I was worried about. Manufacturer's specs a bit too strong for my girls. Got them down to around 35,000-40,000 Lux, ie, around 650-700 par. HUMAN normal good light numbers for veg, and now for a bit they can just grow to the light. It wouldn't hurt them to stretch a bit anyway if that happens. No more furnace blasting. Lol. Anyway all of them are recovered, all are about to take off, all are likely to be transplanted tomorrow morning, and all are over what I did to them. I "restarted" their nute schedule today with just the Big Bloom organic stuff at 50%, even though they handled 75% fine the first couple times. But since I'll soon add back the Grow Big at maybe 25% I'll respect the two nutes together and keep them at non-burn levels. Lol.

Numbers:
Average temperature: 68-70 (night), 75-80 (day)
Average humidity: 45-60 percent
Light: Approximately 700 par/40,000 lux
Nutes: Restarted today with week two of FF nute schedule at 50% concentration Big Bloom only.

Autoflower:
The autos are taking the hell off. The four lead ladies who got transplanted three days ago are partying like it's 1999, and loving their 3 gallon condos. They look perfect and they also look like they'll get biggish for autos as I understand it. I will start LST on them as soon as the next node is out and I have something enough to work with. The second two on day 10 are close to transplant, maybe two or three more days, and the other three seedlings on day 6 are just perfectly healthy seedlings. I'm surprised at how well they're doing and I hope they stay in veg a long long time. Lol.

Numbers:
Average temperature: 72-74 (night), 76-80 (day)
Average humidity: 55-75 percent
Light: Approximately 650 par/35,000 lux
Nutes: Began week one of FF nute schedule on the transplanted girls with first transplant watering, Big Bloom for the first two weeks. Will likely chop that time down a bit since autos and only do one week of that before adding the week three Grow Big.

Pictures:
- Front shot all the photos
- Back shot all the photos
- Lemon Auto Day 10
- Pineapple Express Auto Day 10
- Cinderella Jack Auto Day 18
- Gorilla Zkittlez Auto Day 18

Almost the weekend! March Madness starts today! Happy Growing everyone, have a great weekend.

Right on man They look like they appreciate that light being moved up a bit. Cant wait to see those tents filled to the brim

 

[Bill284]

Photoperiod: Day 29 Veg
Autoflower: Day 18 (4), Day 10 (2), Day 6 (3)

Photoperiod:
Raising the light saved my plants. The four that weren't getting hurt were mere moments from looking just like the one plant I was worried about. Manufacturer's specs a bit too strong for my girls. Got them down to around 35,000-40,000 Lux, ie, around 650-700 par. HUMAN normal good light numbers for veg, and now for a bit they can just grow to the light. It wouldn't hurt them to stretch a bit anyway if that happens. No more furnace blasting. Lol. Anyway all of them are recovered, all are about to take off, all are likely to be transplanted tomorrow morning, and all are over what I did to them. I "restarted" their nute schedule today with just the Big Bloom organic stuff at 50%, even though they handled 75% fine the first couple times. But since I'll soon add back the Grow Big at maybe 25% I'll respect the two nutes together and keep them at non-burn levels. Lol.

Numbers:
Average temperature: 68-70 (night), 75-80 (day)
Average humidity: 45-60 percent
Light: Approximately 700 par/40,000 lux
Nutes: Restarted today with week two of FF nute schedule at 50% concentration Big Bloom only.

Autoflower:
The autos are taking the hell off. The four lead ladies who got transplanted three days ago are partying like it's 1999, and loving their 3 gallon condos. They look perfect and they also look like they'll get biggish for autos as I understand it. I will start LST on them as soon as the next node is out and I have something enough to work with. The second two on day 10 are close to transplant, maybe two or three more days, and the other three seedlings on day 6 are just perfectly healthy seedlings. I'm surprised at how well they're doing and I hope they stay in veg a long long time. Lol.

Numbers:
Average temperature: 72-74 (night), 76-80 (day)
Average humidity: 55-75 percent
Light: Approximately 650 par/35,000 lux
Nutes: Began week one of FF nute schedule on the transplanted girls with first transplant watering, Big Bloom for the first two weeks. Will likely chop that time down a bit since autos and only do one week of that before adding the week three Grow Big.

Pictures:
- Front shot all the photos
- Back shot all the photos
- Lemon Auto Day 10
- Pineapple Express Auto Day 10
- Cinderella Jack Auto Day 18
- Gorilla Zkittlez Auto Day 18

Almost the weekend! March Madness starts today! Happy Growing everyone, have a great weekend.

March madness is about growing in March now? I'm in. Hehe
Girls are looking good my friend.

 

[Diatomacious]

DO NOT SMOKE CIGARETTES ANYWHERE NEAR YOUR GROW ROOM.

I'm screwed

What's up... gonna do some digging to catch up so don't mind me.

 

[Jon]

I'm screwed

What's up... gonna do some digging to catch up so don't mind me.

Lol. I said that way too definitively when I posted it. Who the hell am I? I don't care what anyone does in their grow rooms. I just don't smoke in mine. Weed yes, cigarettes, outside the grow room. Just me.

 

[Jon]

Photoperiod: Day 31 Veg
Autoflower: Day 20 (4), Day 12 (2), Day 8 (3)

Photoperiod:
The girls continue their recovery. I continue to gently bend branches out in anticipation of real LST when they move to their five gallon final homes. They continue to respond positively to the light being higher. I have begun the nute regimen again on the photos with Big Bloom only at 50% of recommended concentration. Will wait until transplant to restart part two, the Grow Big, at 25% of recommended concentration. Also hit the girls with a dose of CalMag plus Iron with this most recent watering. Will dose with CalMag periodically. All the plants are slowly developing a deeper green having been moved further from the light. None of them have ph issues or any others at this point. I just basically cost them a week of their lives because of the perfect storm I had of the topping, the over nute application, and too much light all at the same time. This whole week they have basically just recovered, and have been a bit stalled as a result. Should start moving more now.
A Note To Beginner Growers about LED Lights:
If you are serious about growing and currently using any form of blurples, there will come a point when you will upgrade your lights and likely get something with a "real sunlight" type spectrum. That's what the usual course is. It's what I just did (well, I didn't upgrade, just added new light in new tent). I used the blurples from my auto tent for my first (photoperiod) grow and I was and am all excited about the upgraded light. But here's the rub: I don't know this light yet. You won't know yours either when you first get it, no matter how much you've read or talked to people. Everything changes potentially when you actually start using it. These lights tend to be WAY more powerful than any blurples, and tend to manage heat WAY better too. The tendency (at least for me, thus this note) is to want to place the light TOO LOW, TOO CLOSE TO THE PLANTS. Since there's no heat and the plants appear fine, why not, right? Well, why not is because light stress/damage to your plants from having too much light on them (not too much heat, just light) does not show up immediately like an over-nuteing will. It may take several days. And when it comes it can get real bad if it's not diagnosed immediately or if it's misdiagnosed as being nute related (which is what I just did). It is all too easy to hang these powerful lights too low. My unsolicited advice based on my own mistake is that it is wiser to err on the side of hanging the lights higher than you may want at first and work them down if you can. You will save yourself a lot of stress, trust me, lol. I've been kicking my own ass for a week. The week I cost my girls by having the light too close.

Autoflower:
Transplanted two more autos today into their 3 gallon final homes. Six down, three to go. All of them are going nuts. I can't believe how fast they are growing. Close to an inch a day on the four original transplants. I didn't expect this kind of growth at all and I am pleasantly surprised. These girls couldn't be healthier. Hard to tell in the blurple picture, and they just got watered this morning so they are a tiny bit droopy for the next hour or two, but all of these plants are a deep perfect green and there are no signs of problems on any of them. By lunchtime they will all be standing with their leaves straight out loving life. All the autos, even the seedlings, are getting nutes now - just the Big Bloom at 50% recommended concentration with every other watering. So far they love it. No light distance issues. I know these lights. Already used them for my first grow. Makes a huge difference knowing the light and what it can/cannot do. LST will begin shortly on these. I could begin now on the original four transplants, but they are so low and busy still I can't quite do what I want to with them. Will wait a few more days for a bit more height. I do not see these girls starting to flower anytime soon, (which I hope is true), but what do I know? Never did autos. Lol. Again, so far so good.
Autoflowers really ARE easier. At least so far. Lol.

Pictures:
Just one today - the state of play in the autoflower tent as of this morning, post transplanting the two smaller ones and post watering all 9 to whatever extent was required.

Oh boy, it's Saturday. Whoo hoo. Happy Growing.