Jon's Second Grow, First Grow Journal, Soil Grow Autos & Photoperiod

[Jon]

Photoperiod: Day 24 Veg
Autoflower: Day 13 (4), Day 5 (2), Day 1(3)

Photoperiod:
The topping definitely slowed the girls down for a few days. They stopped laughing at me when I chopped them in half. At least they know who's boss now. Lol. This morning, about 36 hours after topping, it looks like they are just starting to forgive me and resume their business. The new growth is perked up and looks like it's about to take off. These guys are so close to transplant that I have chosen to not start LST until they are in the fives. But the one Jelly Rancher is definitely going to need controlled. She's crushing the other four. As I was told to expect, the topping also slows down the water intake of the plant during it's "recovery." I had expected to have to water the four this morning but they weren't ready. And I did decide to go two clean waterings before restarting nutes at a human level. I'm slowly getting over beating my own ass over starting them way too hot. That's about it in phototown.

Autoflowers:
I haven't spent too much time on posting about these girls so far cuz there hasn't been much to say. They are growing. Lol. They all look good. They are all nine up, today being day one for the last three. The original four are getting very close to transplant. I could probably do it now but I just watered this morning to runoff and I want to make sure they drain their cup in 24 hours first. Autoflowers, at least my autoflowers, take off much more slowly than photoperiod plants. Is that anyone else's experience? On Day 13 my photos were MUCH bigger than these guys.

Pictures:
Just two this morning. The first is the Cinderella Jack auto. I just thought they'd be bigger than this by now. But she looks fabulous. The second is the Gorilla Zkittles auto. Same size, growing very similarly. I almost watered her before I went to bed last night but decided to wait til this morning. She got a tiny bit crispy, ie, that small amount of curling. She got watered this morning first thing and she's fine. All four originally planted autos look almost exactly the same in terms of size and how they're growing, so I have to assume this is just what they do. Everything else looks like seedlings in a cup, nothing worth photo posting. I'm just glad all nine came up. 20 for 20 lifetime. Haven't had to abort one yet. I know that day is coming. Probably next grow. Lmao.

Happy Saturday guys, and grow your asses off today.

 

[Michael Hunt]

Happy saturday man! The ladies look good!

 

[Backlipslide]

Plants are putting off a nice colour! A lil darker on the green spectrum but still a nice healthy colour!

 

[Jon]

@Backlipslide @Ivumlow @Virgin Ground @Michael Hunt

Hey Guys I have a question if anyone has some time.

One of the Pineapple Upside Down Cakes was bone dry and ready for water. So I watered her. In the process, since I'm on 24 hours to drain the pot watch for transplanting, it occurred to me that I don't have to guess at all. My scale does pounds too. So the first picture is my latest greatest idea in terms of really knowing when the pot is drained in 24 hours. I used a hydrometer to determine "bone dry." Then the second picture is the top of the plant two days after topping. I couldn't be happier with this, it requires no verbiage. The third picture is a closeup of the new growth that is ready to go but is hidden by the fan leaf of the second node - the ones I left on when I topped. So my question is, would you chop these fan leaves? On the other plants I was able to keep them and tuck them under the upcoming growth. But that's not possible on this plant. My gut says, since they're real healthy and still powering the plant (unlike some of the others I had to trim the burn off of which are compromised to some extent) that I should leave them until transplant, which is likely Monday.

What would you guys do? Leave these or cut them?

As always, thanks for the help guys, it continues to have immense value to me.

 

[Virgin Ground]

I don't cut leaves.
I only remove them if I'm having a circulation issue. I tuck but not in veg. I do that in flower.
Sometimes I only remove a partial leaf.

Just how I do things.

 

[Michael Hunt]

If its only been a few days since topping my gut would say to leave em be and let them bounce back completely before chopping anything else. If they’re destined to see the end of the grow, they’ll find the light come the 12/12 stretch. Or else

 

[Bill284]

@Backlipslide @Ivumlow @Virgin Ground @Michael Hunt

Hey Guys I have a question if anyone has some time.

One of the Pineapple Upside Down Cakes was bone dry and ready for water. So I watered her. In the process, since I'm on 24 hours to drain the pot watch for transplanting, it occurred to me that I don't have to guess at all. My scale does pounds too. So the first picture is my latest greatest idea in terms of really knowing when the pot is drained in 24 hours. I used a hydrometer to determine "bone dry." Then the second picture is the top of the plant two days after topping. I couldn't be happier with this, it requires no verbiage. The third picture is a closeup of the new growth that is ready to go but is hidden by the fan leaf of the second node - the ones I left on when I topped. So my question is, would you chop these fan leaves? On the other plants I was able to keep them and tuck them under the upcoming growth. But that's not possible on this plant. My gut says, since they're real healthy and still powering the plant (unlike some of the others I had to trim the burn off of which are compromised to some extent) that I should leave them until transplant, which is likely Monday.

What would you guys do? Leave these or cut them?

As always, thanks for the help guys, it continues to have immense value to me.

Beautiful work my friend id be happy too.
Just my 2cents, unless a leaf is touching the soil i leave everything as I work on growing a root ball. I get my lights as close as I can to max her growth and work on building her ball. I know your transplanting which is perfect time to get her flying. I'd let those beauties grow. Happy growing my friend.

 

[Jon]

I don't cut leaves.
I only remove them if I'm having a circulation issue. I tuck but not in veg. I do that in flower.
Sometimes I only remove a partial leaf.

Just how I do things.

Thanks! Yeah I don't like to cut leaves. But I do take the ones covering bud sites. Too early for that now. I'm going to leave them.

 

[Jon]

Beautiful work my friend id be happy too.
Just my 2cents, unless a leaf is touching the soil i leave everything as I work on growing a root ball. I get my lights as close as I can to max her growth and work on building her ball. I know your transplanting which is perfect time to get her flying. I'd let those beauties grow. Happy growing my friend.

Thanks, man, I'm with you. Already settled on exactly this. The lights. Lol. Mine are 12" from the plants now and my buddy was horrified. I told him that's the design of the light and showed him the pics and he shut up...lmao. I'm blasting these guys with 900+ par cuz they've shown me they can take it. That Korona app light meter works very well and I am finding it a great tool to have. Betcha these guys will take over 1200 for budding.

Appreciate it. Gracias.

 

[Jon]

If its only been a few days since topping my gut would say to leave em be and let them bounce back completely before chopping anything else. If they’re destined to see the end of the grow, they’ll find the light come the 12/12 stretch. Or else

Yep, that's what I settled on. I tucked the ones I could and left the others till she's bushed out some post transplant. Thanks man!

 

[Backlipslide]

Ahh frig, don’t be afraid to take leaves off... especially if they’re blocking growth under them.

I stripped this plant once just to show, as long as you leave some on the plant, it doesn’t harm the growth of the plant one bit.

i lean on the side of having no problem taking leaves off. The trick is, is to not remove them all at once, but only the troubled few. The only time I do not remove leaves, is in between day 1 to day 21 of flower. Other then that, she’s fair game.
I find my self clipping a leaf or two off every time I open the tent.
That’s just me though...

 

[Bill284]

Ahh frig, don’t be afraid to take leaves off... especially if they’re blocking growth under them.

I stripped this plant once just to show, as long as you leave some on the plant, it doesn’t harm the growth of the plant one bit.

i lean on the side of having no problem taking leaves off. The trick is, is to not remove them all at once, but only the troubled few. The only time I do not remove leaves, is in between day 1 to day 21 of flower. Other then that, she’s fair game.
I find my self clipping a leaf or two off every time I open the tent.
That’s just me though...

Thats what I used to do. Always picking at them. Then I had some get out of hand in the flower room that I couldn't reach. I got one of my best harvests ever.
I'm glad it works for you,we all do our best in different ways. Since that harvest i don't pluck ,except to lollipop below light level. I just let them go oh natural.

 

[Jon]

Ahh frig, don’t be afraid to take leaves off... especially if they’re blocking growth under them.

I stripped this plant once just to show, as long as you leave some on the plant, it doesn’t harm the growth of the plant one bit.

i lean on the side of having no problem taking leaves off. The trick is, is to not remove them all at once, but only the troubled few. The only time I do not remove leaves, is in between day 1 to day 21 of flower. Other then that, she’s fair game.
I find my self clipping a leaf or two off every time I open the tent.
That’s just me though...

I see. Thanks. I go back and forth on this one. My only concern/question at the moment was about those fans left from topping, but I was able to tuck them on four of the five plants. The other ones and all of them will go probably tomorrow, or Tuesday, whichever day is transplant day. This is a perfect example of the multitude of 50/50 calls you have to make over the course of a grow, and one you'll NEVER find a consensus on. LOL.

 

[Jon]

Photoperiod: Day 25 Veg
Autoflower: Day 14 (4), Day 6 (2), Day 2 (3)

Photoperiod:
Not much to report on these girls. The 24 hour drain the pot watch is on. The cuts from the topping are healing and you can see it visually. The new growth is slowly popping out. They are still recovering from both the topping and my idiot move of way overnute-ing them that first application. The negative consequences from the nute application is over, although it did creep up just a tiny bit into the third level of growth on the on monster Jelly Rancher. She'll be fine after her second clear water/flush today. The others that have had two clear waterings are visibly improved. I REALLY fuc--d up on the nute thing. NEVER do that again. I could have killed them entirely and got lucky I didn't. Dumbass. Riding lines is one thing, being dumb is another. Lesson learned.

Autoflower:
WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT MOTION IN THE AUTO TENT!!!!
The four girls that were originally planted had outgrown their cups and as of this morning had drained their Dixie hotel room in 24 hours, so I transplanted those four this morning. Same process as already described. It works perfectly every time as long as you have established the appropriate root ball. The four I transplanted were perfectly ready and held together exactly as you want them to. The other autos will be transplanted as they become ready.

Pictures:
Two today, a front and back view (well, side to side actually, lol) of the changes to the autoflower tent. I even used the damn flash and this was the best I could get. Sorry about the blurple pics, I can't stand them. Can't WAIT to upgrade these lights. If I get my stimulus check anytime soon I may just grab a damn Mars Hydro 4000 and switch them out with that for budding. Maybe. I really hate blurples and that would be the most financially acceptable upgrade that is adequate and much better than the blurples.

Happy Sunday, guys. If I was at a Dead show they'd probably be playing Samson and Delilah tonight. Lol.

 

[Jon]

By the way, that "don't transplant autoflowers" idea is complete bullshit. For the record.

 

[Bill284]

By the way, that "don't transplant autoflowers" idea is complete bullshit. For the record.

I don't understand why people are so reluctant. I think it’s better than trying to water a seed in a 7 gallon pot. Imo

 

[Jon]

I don't understand why people are so reluctant. I think it’s better than trying to water a seed in a 7 gallon pot. Imo

Obviously we are in agreement here. Heh. If you do it gently and properly and at the right time it seems to me it doesn't stress the plants in the least.

 

[Bill284]

Obviously we are in agreement here. Heh. If you do it gently and properly and at the right time it seems to me it doesn't stress the plants in the least.

Right so trying to water a massive pot wit a tiny girl just doesn't make sense to me. But I won't touch the dam things. Proper photos for me.

 

[Jon]

Right so trying to water a massive pot wit a tiny girl just doesn't make sense to me. But I won't touch the dam things. Proper photos for me.

Agreed. This auto experiment is likely one and done. Photos are way more fun.

 

[Jon]

My one Jelly Rancher is looking very sickly. She's pale and thin and droopy. She is the plant that for some reason took the brunt of the over nute-ing. All five have been raised identically in every way. None have been over watered - I've been watering to weight since the beginning. All have now basically been "mini-flushed" twice since the over-nute feeding. All five show perfect ph. There have been no issues whatsoever with bugs, mold, mites, climate, humidity, ph, light, watering, or anything. Literally the only mistake I have made with these girls was that over nute-ing. And they all paid some price, but on the other four it was minimal compared to the sickly one, and all of the other four have bounced back from it perfectly. They look great. But the one Jelly Rancher...I don't know. The nutes killed more leaf material on her than any other plant, which I removed, but she still has plenty of leaf. I just can't imagine why she would be SO affected and the others not.

I have no choice but to watch her and see if she bounces back. There's not a single issue going on that I can identify other than recovering from the nute thing. I hope she does. If she goes, we go with a four plant scrog instead of five. Obviously way too late to start a replacement. That would suck, but I could live with it, and I am 100% certain I can fill the screen with four plants.

I'll post a picture in the morning. See how she looks after they sleep.

Ugh.