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Jon's First Outdoor Grow: Sugar Breath Photoperiod & Strawberry Banana Autoflower
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Thank YOU guys. I have rarely commented on MH lights because I never tried them. More than once I almost pulled the trigger on one. I am well aware of your well-earned reputation and when I joined the forum here I suddenly was in a position to be able to amass a TON of personal data on your lights, including this one. And of course your sponsorship work in the forum couldn't possibly go unnoticed, as I saw early on that you guys were one of the most active sponsors we have, along with my sponsored nutrient guys for this grow, the good folks at Geoflora. Great light with great nutes and the sun. We can't fail. Well, we could. But we won't.
Heh.
Wow am I happy to see this journal Jon! Great lineup of plants coming on I see. I also see Sohum living soil in my local hydro store so it'll be good to watch it grow.
Go @GeoFlora Nutrients ! You see what their nutes are doing for my girl this summer! You're next!
And I'm a recipient of @Mars Hydro love myself having a TSW2000 beacon of theirs! What a beautiful light! It's been in use steady for a couple of years doing different chores. It's in the clone/mom zone now, but I'm running it in the 3 x 3 coming up soon.
Best grow ever to you!
Go @GeoFlora Nutrients ! You see what their nutes are doing for my girl this summer! You're next!
And I'm a recipient of @Mars Hydro love myself having a TSW2000 beacon of theirs! What a beautiful light! It's been in use steady for a couple of years doing different chores. It's in the clone/mom zone now, but I'm running it in the 3 x 3 coming up soon.
Best grow ever to you!
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Hi @Emilya, how are you dear? I hope you're carrying on amidst your loss. Sounds like you are doing as well as can be expected and also that you have a lot of support. Good stuff.
So if you want a distraction, I have a question or two for you about your experience with Geoflora, if you don't mind. I'll just get right to them.
1. The literature talks of amending the base soil before you transplant. My photos are begun in one gallon starter pots where they will remain till I transplant. When I transplant, is it better to amend the first dressing rather than top dress it? It seems better to me.
2. How DOES one amend the soil in this manner? Is it a matter of mixing in the nutes to just the top half of the pot? I am a little unclear on the word "amend" I guess. Isn't every other feeding going to be a top dressing? So isn't it just the first one we're talking about with "amending" the soil? If you could please describe this process I would appreciate it.
3. I'll need to give the plants a month or so of base veg nutes of some sort before transplant and beginning the Geo. But is that really true? Could I, and would it be better to, begin the Geo nutes IN the one gallon starter pots? The seedlings just broke ground, so it's too late to amend. But I could certainly feed them if it's prudent once the nutes get here in a few days. Or do you think it would be better to give them the Fox Farms base veg nutes for a month instead?
There you go! Thanks so much for your help Em. I truly appreciate it. And sending more good vibes to you and yours.
So if you want a distraction, I have a question or two for you about your experience with Geoflora, if you don't mind. I'll just get right to them.
1. The literature talks of amending the base soil before you transplant. My photos are begun in one gallon starter pots where they will remain till I transplant. When I transplant, is it better to amend the first dressing rather than top dress it? It seems better to me.
2. How DOES one amend the soil in this manner? Is it a matter of mixing in the nutes to just the top half of the pot? I am a little unclear on the word "amend" I guess. Isn't every other feeding going to be a top dressing? So isn't it just the first one we're talking about with "amending" the soil? If you could please describe this process I would appreciate it.
3. I'll need to give the plants a month or so of base veg nutes of some sort before transplant and beginning the Geo. But is that really true? Could I, and would it be better to, begin the Geo nutes IN the one gallon starter pots? The seedlings just broke ground, so it's too late to amend. But I could certainly feed them if it's prudent once the nutes get here in a few days. Or do you think it would be better to give them the Fox Farms base veg nutes for a month instead?
There you go! Thanks so much for your help Em. I truly appreciate it. And sending more good vibes to you and yours.
Emilya Green
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Hi Jon,
Yes, I am doing as well as I can and am now over the initial shock of my brother's sudden death, but I am going to be angry for a long time knowing that they were unable to give him the drugs that may have saved his life and that he might have died because of politics. Anyway, enough of that... you had a question or two. I may even ask you a few in return.
By amending the soil in my initial solo cup, I am doing it one way, but they may have meant another way... but I know that my method works just fine. Before I plant my seed, I build in the soil for the first 2/3 of the cup, where I then put a layer of amendments. I put in one full dosage of Geoflora per container size and my application of Dynomyco. Then I fill up the container to the top and put my seed in. I suppose you could actually mix these two inputs into the entirety of the soil, but I have found that this layer of amendments 1/3 of the way down works very well to supply the young plant with what it needs, but more importantly, it gets the microlife going in the entire container. From then on I do regular top dressings of the geoflora, and I give that first topical application about a week in. Remember, it would be almost impossible to over feed your plants with geoflora since it is mostly raw unprocessed nutes along with the microbes meant to process them and make them available to the plants.
I fail to understand why you think you need to go beyond this and feed your plants with synthetic nutes as they are starting out, or by somehow supplying a month's worth of "base" nutes? Everything your plant needs is in the geoflora... there is no need to give anything else. Since you are starting off the container with some amended in below the surface, and then a week later starting the topical every two week feedings, where does this month that you have centered in on, come from? What is so special about this first month? Why are you thinking that you would be unable to rely on just the geoflora from the very start? It doesn't matter that you didn't amend any into the soil if you just start the topical applications immediately, the very same process will take place. The new plants will love the geoflora, no matter how you apply it in the beginning, it is just a little better to give them that immediate hit below the surface so the young roots can find it right away.
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Glad to hear things are going that well anyway. I understand your anger first hand. Story for another day. Anyway, on paragraph one, great, understood, crystal clear. On paragraph two, here's where the month comes from: I do not have the nutes in hand yet. I had to start the plants in the starter pots WITHOUT Geo amending. I obviously can't now in the starter pots. And I have no intention of putting them outside until the first transplant. Until then they stay in the Gorilla with the current grow. If I put seedlings in the sun here they'll fry in a day. Both Photos that are getting the Geo are in one gallon starter pots and I believe I will be able to transplant them in three weeks...pretty sure I can fill the pot enough to transplant by then. Four weeks max. Then direct into sevens, I can do that no problem at this point, so I'm eliminating the 3 gallon up pot even though I may reconsider that when she's ready to leave the one gallon. So that explains where I get the month from, call it three weeks if you like, where I have no pre-amendments in the soil the seedlings are just coming up from. It's Day 1/2 today, lol.
So, it sounds like the answer is, the fact that I don't have the Geo pre-amended in is irrelevant, the top dressing of it will be just as effective since all the feedings are designed that way, and I should simply start week one of their feeding chart on the one gallons with a top dressing as soon as they arrive in a few days. It is absolutely unnecessary the use any other nutes.
Is that correct, young lady?
See? It isn't as nonsensical as it initially sounds. I just didn't give you enough initial information. Sorry. BTW, I have this exact question in the inbox of the Geo guys right now. I want to compare their answer with yours. I'll share it with you. Should be interesting. I suspect they'll say the same thing.
As always, thank you so much.
Peace.
Emilya Green
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Yes, it seems like you have it. I suspect you will get a very similar answer from geoflora. Next time, start the shipping process of your nutes a little bit before planting the seed. 
1 gallon to seven... That is quite a jump and I presume you are going to then veg for at least another 2-3 weeks to fill up those big containers, doing a lot of watering around the edges? Then as you transition, that additional two weeks should get you to an acceptable wet/dry cycle in bloom.
1 gallon to seven... That is quite a jump and I presume you are going to then veg for at least another 2-3 weeks to fill up those big containers, doing a lot of watering around the edges? Then as you transition, that additional two weeks should get you to an acceptable wet/dry cycle in bloom.
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Well like I said, I may change my mind if I am scairt when the time comes and just go 1/3/7 as planned. I'm getting cocky. Gotta reign it in. And had I ordered the nutes I would already have them and would have amended them into the Dixie cups. Rexer's prize arrives this week. As far as vegging them, I think I can veg them until they're six feet tall. You will understand this comment when you see the next post following the sponsor light post I'm about to put up. It's delicious.Yes, it seems like you have it. I suspect you will get a very similar answer from geoflora. Next time, start the shipping process of your nutes a little bit before planting the seed.
1 gallon to seven... That is quite a jump and I presume you are going to then veg for at least another 2-3 weeks to fill up those big containers, doing a lot of watering around the edges? Then as you transition, that additional two weeks should get you to an acceptable wet/dry cycle in bloom.
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THE OPENING OF THE MARS HYDRO FC-E650
FIRST IMPRESSIONS
Opening up a new light is a religious experience for me. There's nothing to not love about it. So since it was time and the rig was ready, after arriving yesterday the light got unboxed, assembled, and installed in the rig today. I will show all that in the following post, I wanted to use this one specifically to highlight the light I was so excited about.
I AM STILL SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS LIGHT!!!
There's an awful lot to like about this light.
- First, let's start with the packing. This light came as well packaged as any light I have ever seen. Very solidly fitted, heavy styrofoam pieces inside holding it all very safely and tightly together, and it came in a plain brown box. You could not tell what it was from looking at it. Obviously this is way preferred. And equally obviously, a well packed light is a professional thing. It's essential. So big plus there to start.
- Now, the light itself. It's exceedingly easy to unpack and put together. The directions (if you need them) are very clear and accurate. That's a plus. Then there's the power cord. It's LONG. Ten feet I believe. This is amazing for many obvious reasons. Best power cord I have gotten yet. The connectors to connect the bar to the driver are twist locks and also very easy and very effective, and the cords and placement of where they plug into the driver is well thought out and makes it easy to put them out of the way. Another big plus.
- The Driver. The power. The deal. This is everything. And it should be extremely solid, time will tell on that one. But it has an amazing feature I did not expect. It is designed to be SUPER EASY to remove the driver and mount it outside the tent for heat management if you prefer. I mean easy. Just a few screws and it's loose. The way the driver attaches to the light bars is also very easy, very solid and very effective. The top of them are the winged out kind that are extremely effective at controlling heat. This thing is running now at 100% and I have only ever found one light that puts off less heat. That light is in my tent in the garage. The plusses for the FC-E6500 just keep adding up.
- The Dimmer. Pretty sure that's what the little knob on the driver with the numbers on it is.
I love having a dimmer even though I will rarely use it as I prefer to manage with height of the light and always run at 100% power. But this dimmer is awesome and has presets with little grooves so the knob clicks into place on the numbers, which is a big help with accuracy. It's a solid little knob and easily accessible on the driver. Even has it's own powerswitch on the back side of where the main power switch is. Very solid, big plus.
Then we installed her and turned her on. WHOA. That's the moment of truth and usually when I shoot my wad.
This light is gorgeous, powerful, and bright as hell. And I dare say the light is such that the pictures I take under this light look more natural than any light I have. A tribute to the spectrum.
I could not be happier. This light is amazing and already has won my heart. Now we get to watch and see what she can do.
If you are so inclined, you can go on to the next post and I promise you more sweet porn, including new infrastructure porn, than I have shown in a while.
THANK YOU @Mars Hydro !!!!!!!!!!!!
Photographs:
- First picture shows the light upon just opening to show the packing inside and how it comes.
- Second picture is the light pre assembly spread out on the table showing everything it comes with.
- Third picture is the driver
- Fourth picture is the assembled light, note that you can slide the driver anywhere on the two middle bars and m mount it at wherever it works best for you.
- Last picture is the light turned on at 100% in the new outdoor grow rig you can see in detail in the next post.
YAY.
FIRST IMPRESSIONS
Opening up a new light is a religious experience for me. There's nothing to not love about it. So since it was time and the rig was ready, after arriving yesterday the light got unboxed, assembled, and installed in the rig today. I will show all that in the following post, I wanted to use this one specifically to highlight the light I was so excited about.
I AM STILL SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS LIGHT!!!
There's an awful lot to like about this light.
- First, let's start with the packing. This light came as well packaged as any light I have ever seen. Very solidly fitted, heavy styrofoam pieces inside holding it all very safely and tightly together, and it came in a plain brown box. You could not tell what it was from looking at it. Obviously this is way preferred. And equally obviously, a well packed light is a professional thing. It's essential. So big plus there to start.
- Now, the light itself. It's exceedingly easy to unpack and put together. The directions (if you need them) are very clear and accurate. That's a plus. Then there's the power cord. It's LONG. Ten feet I believe. This is amazing for many obvious reasons. Best power cord I have gotten yet. The connectors to connect the bar to the driver are twist locks and also very easy and very effective, and the cords and placement of where they plug into the driver is well thought out and makes it easy to put them out of the way. Another big plus.
- The Driver. The power. The deal. This is everything. And it should be extremely solid, time will tell on that one. But it has an amazing feature I did not expect. It is designed to be SUPER EASY to remove the driver and mount it outside the tent for heat management if you prefer. I mean easy. Just a few screws and it's loose. The way the driver attaches to the light bars is also very easy, very solid and very effective. The top of them are the winged out kind that are extremely effective at controlling heat. This thing is running now at 100% and I have only ever found one light that puts off less heat. That light is in my tent in the garage. The plusses for the FC-E6500 just keep adding up.
- The Dimmer. Pretty sure that's what the little knob on the driver with the numbers on it is.
I love having a dimmer even though I will rarely use it as I prefer to manage with height of the light and always run at 100% power. But this dimmer is awesome and has presets with little grooves so the knob clicks into place on the numbers, which is a big help with accuracy. It's a solid little knob and easily accessible on the driver. Even has it's own powerswitch on the back side of where the main power switch is. Very solid, big plus.Then we installed her and turned her on. WHOA. That's the moment of truth and usually when I shoot my wad.
This light is gorgeous, powerful, and bright as hell. And I dare say the light is such that the pictures I take under this light look more natural than any light I have. A tribute to the spectrum.
I could not be happier. This light is amazing and already has won my heart. Now we get to watch and see what she can do.
If you are so inclined, you can go on to the next post and I promise you more sweet porn, including new infrastructure porn, than I have shown in a while.
THANK YOU @Mars Hydro !!!!!!!!!!!!
Photographs:
- First picture shows the light upon just opening to show the packing inside and how it comes.
- Second picture is the light pre assembly spread out on the table showing everything it comes with.
- Third picture is the driver
- Fourth picture is the assembled light, note that you can slide the driver anywhere on the two middle bars and m mount it at wherever it works best for you.
- Last picture is the light turned on at 100% in the new outdoor grow rig you can see in detail in the next post.
YAY.
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New Infrastructure Update
THE PHOTO RIG IS COMPLETE
The Unveiling!
THIS IS WHERE THE BIG DOGS LIVE
If you guys wanna see a tired but very happy dude, look no further than here. We completed the photo rig today and it is up and running. This is where the photos will live once they leave the current tent where they are seedlings, and where they will stay for the totality of their veg cycle. I have decided to use the new @Mars Hydro light for all of the veg of the photos, on 20/4, until I am ready to flip them. At that point they simply leave the nest and finish their lives in the yard. The transition from 20/4 to the natural light cycle will make them go into budding immediately, I know from Sadie in the last grow. No back and forth, no moving the photos every day into the yard, just veg here and flower in the yard completely subject to whatever nature has in store. That will give me the opportunity to truly see what the light can do in veg.
The rig next to this one in the corner, which will be up and running tomorrow, is the rig for the autos. We will display and cover that one tomorrow. But the autos are simply going to stay in the second rig next door for their whole lives, on 20/4, under my blurples. The blurples have been relocated from the now defunct Auto Rig in the garage. They will power the auto rig. Again, no moving plants, and the autos will probably be happier that way anyway.
The BIG rig for the photos is as follows:
- 10' tall by 5x5 wide
- Made from 2x4's, one piece of plywood, and blankets. That's it. Less than $100 to create this.
- Houses the Mars Hydro FC-E6500
- Contains a few fans only and can add more fans if needed
- Allows the light to go all the way to the ceiling, which allows me to veg these photos till they're six feet tall or even more if I want.
- SUPER solidly built and allows me to lean on the posts and such for support if necessary.
- The blankets at the top block all light from escaping from the sides to do a bit of neighbor-proofing.
- The bottom five feet remain open to allow the external environment to be the complete weather package.
- Currently housing the autos from my other grow journal (current grow) till the photos go in to it.
The SMALLER rig next door is as follows:
- 7' tall by 5x5
- Made from the frame of the old tent, a couple blankets, and a few pvc pipes cut to size for side support and duct tape
- Total Cost was less than $10, granted I already had the frame from the old tent
- Houses two blurples with a total actual wattage draw of 526 watts
- The blanket on the side that touches the house keeps light from leaking into the living room, lol.
- Other side is open to allow external environment.
- Houses a few fans only with ability to add more as needed.
Both the rigs will be up and running with their respective plants for the grow by tomorrow, although the plants themselves will not make an appearance till they get out of the starter cups in the Gorilla tent. For now we get to see the 2 autos from my other current grow in the photo rig. Which, by the way, is a huge upgrade for the Sour Apple. And as you'll see in the pics, she was already doing quite well.
Now I can let the photos get BIG. They CAN'T outgrow this rig. LOL. This is what I meant in the other post we discussed, @Emilya. And we have some plant changes. This was dictated by the seeds that did not pop, which were the Sugar Breath photo and the Gorilla Glue auto. We replaced with some stand-ins. So here's the final list of what will be growing in this outdoor grow:
- 1 Raspberry Parfait photo from Humboldt Seed Company
- 1 Future #1 photo from Anesia Seeds
- 4 Strawberry Banana autos from 420FastBuds
- 1 Gelato atuo from 420FastBuds
Yes, I said FUTURE #1!!!!!!!!!!! I have never been more excited to grow a strain.
So as you can see guys, I have been rather busy today. And I'm going to go out on a limb and sound slightly egotistical when I say that THIS is what I call GOING BIG.
Commentary?
So here's what I call INFRASTRUCTURE PORN. Lol.
- The new rig photoperiod rig showing entirety of it floor to ceiling
- The new photoperiod rig with Mars Hydro light running and housing 2 autos from the other grow
- The view from my kitchen/living room which also shows the skeleton of the auto rig next to the photo rig
Hey @Emilya, is this gardening like a boss?
THE PHOTO RIG IS COMPLETE
The Unveiling!
THIS IS WHERE THE BIG DOGS LIVE
If you guys wanna see a tired but very happy dude, look no further than here. We completed the photo rig today and it is up and running. This is where the photos will live once they leave the current tent where they are seedlings, and where they will stay for the totality of their veg cycle. I have decided to use the new @Mars Hydro light for all of the veg of the photos, on 20/4, until I am ready to flip them. At that point they simply leave the nest and finish their lives in the yard. The transition from 20/4 to the natural light cycle will make them go into budding immediately, I know from Sadie in the last grow. No back and forth, no moving the photos every day into the yard, just veg here and flower in the yard completely subject to whatever nature has in store. That will give me the opportunity to truly see what the light can do in veg.
The rig next to this one in the corner, which will be up and running tomorrow, is the rig for the autos. We will display and cover that one tomorrow. But the autos are simply going to stay in the second rig next door for their whole lives, on 20/4, under my blurples. The blurples have been relocated from the now defunct Auto Rig in the garage. They will power the auto rig. Again, no moving plants, and the autos will probably be happier that way anyway.
The BIG rig for the photos is as follows:
- 10' tall by 5x5 wide
- Made from 2x4's, one piece of plywood, and blankets. That's it. Less than $100 to create this.
- Houses the Mars Hydro FC-E6500
- Contains a few fans only and can add more fans if needed
- Allows the light to go all the way to the ceiling, which allows me to veg these photos till they're six feet tall or even more if I want.
- SUPER solidly built and allows me to lean on the posts and such for support if necessary.
- The blankets at the top block all light from escaping from the sides to do a bit of neighbor-proofing.
- The bottom five feet remain open to allow the external environment to be the complete weather package.
- Currently housing the autos from my other grow journal (current grow) till the photos go in to it.
The SMALLER rig next door is as follows:
- 7' tall by 5x5
- Made from the frame of the old tent, a couple blankets, and a few pvc pipes cut to size for side support and duct tape
- Total Cost was less than $10, granted I already had the frame from the old tent
- Houses two blurples with a total actual wattage draw of 526 watts
- The blanket on the side that touches the house keeps light from leaking into the living room, lol.
- Other side is open to allow external environment.
- Houses a few fans only with ability to add more as needed.
Both the rigs will be up and running with their respective plants for the grow by tomorrow, although the plants themselves will not make an appearance till they get out of the starter cups in the Gorilla tent. For now we get to see the 2 autos from my other current grow in the photo rig. Which, by the way, is a huge upgrade for the Sour Apple. And as you'll see in the pics, she was already doing quite well.
Now I can let the photos get BIG. They CAN'T outgrow this rig. LOL. This is what I meant in the other post we discussed, @Emilya. And we have some plant changes. This was dictated by the seeds that did not pop, which were the Sugar Breath photo and the Gorilla Glue auto. We replaced with some stand-ins. So here's the final list of what will be growing in this outdoor grow:
- 1 Raspberry Parfait photo from Humboldt Seed Company
- 1 Future #1 photo from Anesia Seeds
- 4 Strawberry Banana autos from 420FastBuds
- 1 Gelato atuo from 420FastBuds
Yes, I said FUTURE #1!!!!!!!!!!! I have never been more excited to grow a strain.
So as you can see guys, I have been rather busy today. And I'm going to go out on a limb and sound slightly egotistical when I say that THIS is what I call GOING BIG.
Commentary?
So here's what I call INFRASTRUCTURE PORN. Lol.
- The new rig photoperiod rig showing entirety of it floor to ceiling
- The new photoperiod rig with Mars Hydro light running and housing 2 autos from the other grow
- The view from my kitchen/living room which also shows the skeleton of the auto rig next to the photo rig
Hey @Emilya, is this gardening like a boss?
Now I'm jeally- that is one sweet setup Jon!!
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Thanks Rex, that was a lot of work for me and my assistant. Thank god Molly can walk. I would never have been able to climb the ladder.
Sweet rig Jon! I'm excited for you! What a Light @Mars Hydro made! That's going to blast your new grow! Especially The Future 1! That one reads something else! You go !
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Thanks Otter! Yeah that Future #1 I can feel is special. Call it a hunch. I'm going to produce 30%+ THC with her. That's my hope. And she is gonna be BIG. I may have to ask you for your address offline, wink, wink.
Nice @Jon
I have never been a fan of outside plants coming indoor, mainly because the insects they collect outdoors. It sound like you have gave this grow some thought, and is that room a garage or something else? Just wondering about your heat situation in the coming months.
Again
on your plans.
Tok..
I have never been a fan of outside plants coming indoor, mainly because the insects they collect outdoors. It sound like you have gave this grow some thought, and is that room a garage or something else? Just wondering about your heat situation in the coming months.
Again
on your plans.Tok..
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Heh. I thought it out big time. The timing of this is specifically timed to when acceptable weather begins. That's now. It's perfect here for the next four months. Not too much rain. High never gets over 85 by day. Low at night is around 68-70. The plants will do exceptionally well in this weather. It's also timed to be my last grow before I move from here back to PA. And it's not quite going outdoor to indoor. The autos will all just stay in the little rig on 20/4 til they're done. The photos will veg for 60 days in the big rig and then finish entirely in the yard. Weather in the rig is identical to outdoor weather because the rig IS outdoors. That is an open back porch lennai that looks out over a man made "lake." The rigs are open at the bottom for air flow and so I can work the plants. But the entire grow will ALL be done outside. Just bastardized versions of outside. And the thing about the lennai the rig is on is that it stays very bug free for the most part. The other great bug thing related to the plants is that any flying bugs will go for the lights before they go for the plants. Lol. I will be hanging plenty of fly strips in both spaces anyway. Oh, and all the plants are in pots on wheels. So no danger whatsoever of any ground related bugs. I watched the autos in the new rig at 1 am last night for a while to gauge insects overnight and what I should expect, and it was nothing. It won't be an issue.Nice @Jon
I have never been a fan of outside plants coming indoor, mainly because the insects they collect outdoors. It sound like you have gave this grow some thought, and is that room a garage or something else? Just wondering about your heat situation in the coming months.
Again
Tok..
See? I think I got this and I feel it's fairly well thought through. I appreciate your concerns, I would have said almost the same to you. Thanks for having my back.
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COMPLETED INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE
UNVEILING THE AUTO OUTDOOR RIG
MARS HYDRO FC-E6500 INFO
HOW DO THE PLANTS LIKE THE LIGHT?
Ok guys, the infrastructure is complete. I am getting way psyched now. Here you will see the completed outdoor setup. This was quite a bit of work considering it is only going to exist for around 90 days. Lmao.
GO BIG OR GO THE HELL HOME. Simple as that. Especially when you're moving, trying to max our your last grow before you're gonna have to take at least a two month break from growing, and COMMITTED. It also helps a lot if you don't give a fu-- about the possible repercussions. I am willing to do some time for this if that's what it comes down to. I'm obviously betting that it won't, and it's a quite educated bet. Please do not clog up my journal telling me any cautious stuff or what if's or anything related to the law.....I don't give a sh--. I'll take my chances. Not that I'm taking anyway because obviously it is legal to do what I am doing or I wouldn't be doing it.
So this is the auto rig as already described only now you can see it. The 4 Strawberry Banana and 1 Gelato autoflowers are going to live in this space for the entirety of their lives. On 20/4. In Sohum living soil. All of them are already up and I will post a picture of the seedlings later just for the sake of the record. When they outgrow the Dixie cups they are in they will get up potted into fives and then moved from the Gorilla tent to this rig. No outdoor, at least not the "in the sun" kind. But the rig itself is outdoors obviously and the temperature and humidity levels and weather will all be whatever nature has in store. But under the lennai like this, I water the autos, cuz they'll get no rain, and I will toss a few fans in there too when the plants make their appearance.
Now regarding the light, I made one, doesn't matter in the least, totally irrelevant, why are you even mentioning it in the journal, kind of mistake. Observe the first light picture. See how the lines of LEDs form consistent and exactly the same patterns on the light? So you have four lines that appear dark or red which you can see are consistent across the light. But look at the lights in the center of each bar, that line. See how in each case there is a red side and a side that appears to be not lit? (these are the infared, you can't see them but they're there) Well, look closely at the order of those lights. It's wrong. The design forces you to choose which bars to put where when you put it together. You would have had to turn the light on while assembling it to be able to know the configuration of the lights in the center I'm referring to. Nobody does that, duh. But see how there's six bars? The light bars SHOULD be positioned in an order such that the first bar, the red light is on the right. The second bar it should be to the left. Etc, through all six bars. That would "even out" the way the infared is distributed across the tent. They way I have it, you can see it's overloaded to one side or another and the bars are not in the right order to achieve what I just described. Again, this doesn't matter in the least. But for purposes of anyone who is seeing this and maybe hasn't put together a good light before, I mention it in here and show it because if I had done it correctly I would be seeing what I describe. I made a mistake and it is worthy enough to me to note just in case of that scenario.
THAT said, who the hell would ever turn on the lights while assembling a light? NOBODY. So come on guys, @Mars Hydro, I love you and your light is amazing. But in the spirit of full disclosure, it would be an improvement in the product if you guys noted in the directions or on the bars with numbers or whatever SOME way to determine which bar goes in which position, for anyone who truly wants to do this correctly. THANKS! Hey, if I am reviewing the light, I gotta be honest, right? That's the ONLY thing I have to say, and it's a TINY thing. But you feel me?
LASTLY, THE PLANTS. Look at the two plants in the pictures that are under the light. Did I get the distance from plants to light right? Am I overdoing the light to these girls? Where is my par tester? What happened?
HERE'S THE DEAL: Notice how the leaves on these plants look, and remember that look. The praying up at near 45 degree angle on practically every leaf. The plants looking just supremely happy. You ONLY get this look at this point in budding if you have the lights DIALED IN PERFECTLY. This is what that looks like. I'll be testing the par of course, but honestly, this is all you need. If your plants look like this, you are dialed in. Period. There is also a picture to show how far from the light these girls are. It's about 13 inches. They're LOVING this light. So am I. I love these low profile, no heat, bar lights. My fave and in my humble opinion the direction of the industry for years to come. Honestly I have already come to the conclusion that this light is way better served for a 4x4 than a 5x5, but that's just in a perfect world. You'd crush a 5x5 with it too, but in a 4x4 the dropoff in light along the edges and in the corners would be far less and greatly improved. It would be a very consistent and large footprint in a 4x4 which it also is in a 5x5. But in that size there IS corner and edge dropoff that's not quite preferred. But this might be the very best light in the entire world for a 4x4 if your budget is less than $1000. For $800, JESUS MADE THIS LIGHT. You feel me? We are talking about very high quality for the dollar compared to other lights. GREAT job, @Mars Hydro!
Ok, no more word salads. Here's the porn.
First two pics show the auto rig completed and the entirety of both rigs.
Next two pics show the light from two different angles and zooms to show what I was talking about above
Last pictures are the plants to show the leaves and what I referred to above and also the distance from canopy to light.
BIG DOGS PLAY HERE. Proceed at your own risk.
UNVEILING THE AUTO OUTDOOR RIG
MARS HYDRO FC-E6500 INFO
HOW DO THE PLANTS LIKE THE LIGHT?
Ok guys, the infrastructure is complete. I am getting way psyched now. Here you will see the completed outdoor setup. This was quite a bit of work considering it is only going to exist for around 90 days. Lmao.
GO BIG OR GO THE HELL HOME. Simple as that. Especially when you're moving, trying to max our your last grow before you're gonna have to take at least a two month break from growing, and COMMITTED. It also helps a lot if you don't give a fu-- about the possible repercussions. I am willing to do some time for this if that's what it comes down to. I'm obviously betting that it won't, and it's a quite educated bet. Please do not clog up my journal telling me any cautious stuff or what if's or anything related to the law.....I don't give a sh--. I'll take my chances. Not that I'm taking anyway because obviously it is legal to do what I am doing or I wouldn't be doing it.
So this is the auto rig as already described only now you can see it. The 4 Strawberry Banana and 1 Gelato autoflowers are going to live in this space for the entirety of their lives. On 20/4. In Sohum living soil. All of them are already up and I will post a picture of the seedlings later just for the sake of the record. When they outgrow the Dixie cups they are in they will get up potted into fives and then moved from the Gorilla tent to this rig. No outdoor, at least not the "in the sun" kind. But the rig itself is outdoors obviously and the temperature and humidity levels and weather will all be whatever nature has in store. But under the lennai like this, I water the autos, cuz they'll get no rain, and I will toss a few fans in there too when the plants make their appearance.
Now regarding the light, I made one, doesn't matter in the least, totally irrelevant, why are you even mentioning it in the journal, kind of mistake. Observe the first light picture. See how the lines of LEDs form consistent and exactly the same patterns on the light? So you have four lines that appear dark or red which you can see are consistent across the light. But look at the lights in the center of each bar, that line. See how in each case there is a red side and a side that appears to be not lit? (these are the infared, you can't see them but they're there) Well, look closely at the order of those lights. It's wrong. The design forces you to choose which bars to put where when you put it together. You would have had to turn the light on while assembling it to be able to know the configuration of the lights in the center I'm referring to. Nobody does that, duh. But see how there's six bars? The light bars SHOULD be positioned in an order such that the first bar, the red light is on the right. The second bar it should be to the left. Etc, through all six bars. That would "even out" the way the infared is distributed across the tent. They way I have it, you can see it's overloaded to one side or another and the bars are not in the right order to achieve what I just described. Again, this doesn't matter in the least. But for purposes of anyone who is seeing this and maybe hasn't put together a good light before, I mention it in here and show it because if I had done it correctly I would be seeing what I describe. I made a mistake and it is worthy enough to me to note just in case of that scenario.
THAT said, who the hell would ever turn on the lights while assembling a light? NOBODY. So come on guys, @Mars Hydro, I love you and your light is amazing. But in the spirit of full disclosure, it would be an improvement in the product if you guys noted in the directions or on the bars with numbers or whatever SOME way to determine which bar goes in which position, for anyone who truly wants to do this correctly. THANKS! Hey, if I am reviewing the light, I gotta be honest, right? That's the ONLY thing I have to say, and it's a TINY thing. But you feel me?
LASTLY, THE PLANTS. Look at the two plants in the pictures that are under the light. Did I get the distance from plants to light right? Am I overdoing the light to these girls? Where is my par tester? What happened?
HERE'S THE DEAL: Notice how the leaves on these plants look, and remember that look. The praying up at near 45 degree angle on practically every leaf. The plants looking just supremely happy. You ONLY get this look at this point in budding if you have the lights DIALED IN PERFECTLY. This is what that looks like. I'll be testing the par of course, but honestly, this is all you need. If your plants look like this, you are dialed in. Period. There is also a picture to show how far from the light these girls are. It's about 13 inches. They're LOVING this light. So am I. I love these low profile, no heat, bar lights. My fave and in my humble opinion the direction of the industry for years to come. Honestly I have already come to the conclusion that this light is way better served for a 4x4 than a 5x5, but that's just in a perfect world. You'd crush a 5x5 with it too, but in a 4x4 the dropoff in light along the edges and in the corners would be far less and greatly improved. It would be a very consistent and large footprint in a 4x4 which it also is in a 5x5. But in that size there IS corner and edge dropoff that's not quite preferred. But this might be the very best light in the entire world for a 4x4 if your budget is less than $1000. For $800, JESUS MADE THIS LIGHT. You feel me? We are talking about very high quality for the dollar compared to other lights. GREAT job, @Mars Hydro!
Ok, no more word salads. Here's the porn.
First two pics show the auto rig completed and the entirety of both rigs.
Next two pics show the light from two different angles and zooms to show what I was talking about above
Last pictures are the plants to show the leaves and what I referred to above and also the distance from canopy to light.
BIG DOGS PLAY HERE. Proceed at your own risk.
- Thread starter
- #38
A Legit Concern
Someone voiced the very legitimate concern to me about "aren't you worried about the rain and that new light since the big rig is closer to the outside?"
Like I said, I get that. I'd say the same thing.
So, to ally that concern here's the story and a picture is worth 1000 words. Today, ending just a half an hour ago or so, we had the hardest rain with the hardest wind and the most horizontal raining in the 19 months since I have lived here. A squall must have come through somewhere close, and that could be tons of spots here. We got hammered for an hour like I've never seen here. There will never be a rain that bad here again. I'd be shocked.
So how was the rig that's closest to the rain where the new @Mars Hydro light is?!!!! OMG!!!!!!
No worries. I got this. Planned for this based on 19 months of observing weather patterns. Here you go:
Someone voiced the very legitimate concern to me about "aren't you worried about the rain and that new light since the big rig is closer to the outside?"
Like I said, I get that. I'd say the same thing.
So, to ally that concern here's the story and a picture is worth 1000 words. Today, ending just a half an hour ago or so, we had the hardest rain with the hardest wind and the most horizontal raining in the 19 months since I have lived here. A squall must have come through somewhere close, and that could be tons of spots here. We got hammered for an hour like I've never seen here. There will never be a rain that bad here again. I'd be shocked.
So how was the rig that's closest to the rain where the new @Mars Hydro light is?!!!! OMG!!!!!!
No worries. I got this. Planned for this based on 19 months of observing weather patterns. Here you go:
- Thread starter
- #39
Sponsor Update
Final Grow Participant Change
Hi Guys -
Wanted to say a word or two about @GeoFlora Nutrients, our gracious sponsor for this grow. You guys know me and the peppering I tend to throw at people with tons of questions. Well, I warned our friends at Geo when they said they'd sponsor me that I was going to pepper them too. And indeed I did. I sent our friends a note with like 18 questions in it. Detailed ones. Paragraph long ones involving various scenarios. I asked about additives, when to feed more/less, etc...I basically went off.
Lemme tell you, the answers I got from Geo were amazing. Firstly, they got back to me immediately, that same day. Next, they literally took the time and pain to answer each one of my questions, ALL of them, on an individual basis. Their response to me was twice as long as my long message to them. Every single answer made complete sense and was easy to understand. I was asked several times if I didn't quite grasp a concept they were relating to please reach back out. They told me the nutes are in the mail and they included some extra stuff we talked about - YAY! And all of it was done with a large dose of niceness, kindness and respect. It took someone a long time to pen that response.
THESE GUYS KNOW HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR PEOPLE. The customer service, if you wanna call it that in the forum, is absolutely off the charts amazing. And that has great value and is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Geo!!!
Ok, on to the last tweak of the grow, and this is a big one:
There's been a change of the second photoperiod plant. Future #1 is out. The mighty Chocolope is in. When the Sugar Breath didn't pop I started soaking the Future #1 seed. Then, as a backup and figuring I'd figure something out if it popped too, I also started soaking a Chocolope. They both popped. Only the Future #1 popped oddly. It had a long brown end to the little root before it was white. It was weirdly twisted. It was small in girth.
Size matters. Lol.
I joke. The real thing was, and I know this is dumb...I just had a feeling. Something was telling me this wasn't the right seed of the 3 Future #1 seeds I had. I didn't like the way it looked and didn't want to take a chance on a runt or any other thing where I'd have to fix a plant from day one or whatever. The brown on the stemlet didn't seem right either, never seen that before. Meanwhile, the Chocolope bean popped just like normal and grew it's stemlet just like normal. I felt real good about her, and I've been chomping at the bit to grow this strain since I got the seeds. Well, now we are. All seven seeds are now potted, and six are seedlings. When the Chocolope breaks ground we'll have a party.
It is quite possible that I was freaked out (that's overstating it, lol) by something that is completely normal and I just don't know it. Anyone had a seed pop with half of the 3/4" stem being dark brown? And weirdly twisted? If you had a ton of choices anyway, would you have taken the chance? I honestly don't know for sure. If it was it was. Oh well.
Here's the skinny on the Chocolope:
DNA Genetics Chocolope is created by crossing Chocolate Thai with Cannalope Haze to create homage to the Chocolate strains of the 1980s. Chocolope buds offer an earthy, sweet coffee flavor that provides a dreamy, cerebral effect. Expect a strong, euphoric mental shift that is great when coping with depression or stress.
I have gone off about it before, it's legendary. Should be fun. Thanks as always for tuning in guys.
Final Grow Participant Change
Hi Guys -
Wanted to say a word or two about @GeoFlora Nutrients, our gracious sponsor for this grow. You guys know me and the peppering I tend to throw at people with tons of questions. Well, I warned our friends at Geo when they said they'd sponsor me that I was going to pepper them too. And indeed I did. I sent our friends a note with like 18 questions in it. Detailed ones. Paragraph long ones involving various scenarios. I asked about additives, when to feed more/less, etc...I basically went off.
Lemme tell you, the answers I got from Geo were amazing. Firstly, they got back to me immediately, that same day. Next, they literally took the time and pain to answer each one of my questions, ALL of them, on an individual basis. Their response to me was twice as long as my long message to them. Every single answer made complete sense and was easy to understand. I was asked several times if I didn't quite grasp a concept they were relating to please reach back out. They told me the nutes are in the mail and they included some extra stuff we talked about - YAY! And all of it was done with a large dose of niceness, kindness and respect. It took someone a long time to pen that response.
THESE GUYS KNOW HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR PEOPLE. The customer service, if you wanna call it that in the forum, is absolutely off the charts amazing. And that has great value and is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Geo!!!
Ok, on to the last tweak of the grow, and this is a big one:
There's been a change of the second photoperiod plant. Future #1 is out. The mighty Chocolope is in. When the Sugar Breath didn't pop I started soaking the Future #1 seed. Then, as a backup and figuring I'd figure something out if it popped too, I also started soaking a Chocolope. They both popped. Only the Future #1 popped oddly. It had a long brown end to the little root before it was white. It was weirdly twisted. It was small in girth.
Size matters. Lol.
I joke. The real thing was, and I know this is dumb...I just had a feeling. Something was telling me this wasn't the right seed of the 3 Future #1 seeds I had. I didn't like the way it looked and didn't want to take a chance on a runt or any other thing where I'd have to fix a plant from day one or whatever. The brown on the stemlet didn't seem right either, never seen that before. Meanwhile, the Chocolope bean popped just like normal and grew it's stemlet just like normal. I felt real good about her, and I've been chomping at the bit to grow this strain since I got the seeds. Well, now we are. All seven seeds are now potted, and six are seedlings. When the Chocolope breaks ground we'll have a party.
It is quite possible that I was freaked out (that's overstating it, lol) by something that is completely normal and I just don't know it. Anyone had a seed pop with half of the 3/4" stem being dark brown? And weirdly twisted? If you had a ton of choices anyway, would you have taken the chance? I honestly don't know for sure. If it was it was. Oh well.
Here's the skinny on the Chocolope:
CHOCOLOPE
SATIVA DOMINANT HYBRIDINFORMATION
- Genetics: Original Chocolate Thai x Cannalope Haze
- Terpenes: Earthy, Sweet, Chocolate
- Uses: Depression, Anxiety, Pain, Stress, Fatigue
- Effects: Relaxed, Happy, Energized
- Awards: 20x Cup Winner
Enjoy!