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Jon's First Outdoor Grow: Sugar Breath Photoperiod & Strawberry Banana Autoflower
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So here's the deal @Bill284. My Chocolope seed popped and is ready to go into a Dixie cup today. I want to try your soil method on her. Is there any reason to not just use a Dixie of Fox Farms Happy Frog to get her started then transplant into the frass/bokashi/coco/soil mix? Or do I need to recreate the mix even in the Dixie cup?
Nine Toed Hippie
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Just reading Black Soldier Fly Larva made me grow a half inch. Your plants are going to explode. Ha!
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Sprinkle a little in the soil if you have it in time.
But it'll be fine on its own.
Just add it to the coco and activate it.
Stay safe.
Bill
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Got it. Thanks so much. I can't wait to see what this plant does in this mix. You're my default coach here my man. Lol. So other than the link, I may have missed this, but what size pot would you suggest? Keep in mind I can't have a ten foot tall plant or taller. Gotta keep it to around six or seven feet tall, maybe eight max. I can top and what not to keep her low, but she's almost a pure landrace sativa and she'll go nuts no matter what I grew her in. So a seven?
Your making it hard here.
I'd normally say at least 20 gal outside and let her rip.
But if you want to keep her small try 7 gal and lst when she gets too tall.
Top once about 7th or 8th node then tie her over.
Stay safe.
Bill
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Good News Bad News
First, the good news.
The Chocolope photo from DNA Genetics has popped, shot out a perfect tap root, and has been put into her temporary home. This pot is about the size of two Dixie cups. I had no Dixie cups, lol. The shoot is in Fox Farms Happy Frog, straight from the bag. Not sure yet what she's going into - depends on the mail. Lots of options, but I believe I will have the necessary ingredients in time to use @Bill284's specific soil mix for this plant. Coco, bokash, frass, soil. When I layer the pot I'll do a post for it to show my version, which should be just like Bill's. Thanks Bill, and thanks a ton for the help/coaching/advice/occasional slapping me back. All of it has made me a better grower. The Chocolope, as it were at the moment, is the first and only "good news" picture.
Now the bad news, and maybe it's not so bad. With soon to be finishing out this epic final grow in this state with a total of 22 active plants (once I add the Chocolope and three more in the next couple days), it's DEFINITELY not so bad, lol. Still, I'm going to show you a picture series of something you should attempt to NOT do, pictures 2 through 4.
1: The Chocolope to be in her starter pot.
2: A closeup of the dark line in the middle of the node of this Dos-Si-Dos outdoor auto. Guess what this dark line is? YES, I fricking broke a branch a bit with overaggressive training, and the main damn cola at that. The dark line in the picture is the back side of the break. This line, with the outer hull of the plant still intact, goes about 60% of the way around the stem. The other 40% was the break. It's a significant break. Not impossible to fix though. But unlikely that it'll take, we'll see. So at the end of the day, I accidentally either late-topped a plant by taking off the main cola, or I supercropped a plant that'll make a nice, dense, hard node at the break. I can live with either. But it does suck. I hate breaking ANY branch like that, but with extensive training all the time I accept it as an occasional inevitability. Just really sucks ass when it's the main cola.
3. The upper fix for the break. I was afraid to take the chance of worsening the break by attempting to get a little piece of tape around it as I have done with success in the past. So instead I did this little teepee of support. The position you see this cola branch in has obviously changed a ton - yesterday it was staked down to almost horizontal, and the main cola was facing straight up to the sky and was huge, with two new growth branches coming off the topping point. When I found the break, I gently let all her constraints loose, and this is how much she sprung back up - which is crazy. The pressure point of this teepee is exactly holding the stem above the break in the position it would be in were there no break, and the entire stem around the break point appears "sealed." It'll either work or it won't. I remember recently something like this would have prompted like seven private panicked messages to people. LMAO.
4. The plant post surgery.
So we have a new photo in the mix, and we have a Dos-Si-Dos auto in recovery. Pulling for you girl.
Here you go, as described above:
First, the good news.
The Chocolope photo from DNA Genetics has popped, shot out a perfect tap root, and has been put into her temporary home. This pot is about the size of two Dixie cups. I had no Dixie cups, lol. The shoot is in Fox Farms Happy Frog, straight from the bag. Not sure yet what she's going into - depends on the mail. Lots of options, but I believe I will have the necessary ingredients in time to use @Bill284's specific soil mix for this plant. Coco, bokash, frass, soil. When I layer the pot I'll do a post for it to show my version, which should be just like Bill's. Thanks Bill, and thanks a ton for the help/coaching/advice/occasional slapping me back. All of it has made me a better grower. The Chocolope, as it were at the moment, is the first and only "good news" picture.
Now the bad news, and maybe it's not so bad. With soon to be finishing out this epic final grow in this state with a total of 22 active plants (once I add the Chocolope and three more in the next couple days), it's DEFINITELY not so bad, lol. Still, I'm going to show you a picture series of something you should attempt to NOT do, pictures 2 through 4.
1: The Chocolope to be in her starter pot.
2: A closeup of the dark line in the middle of the node of this Dos-Si-Dos outdoor auto. Guess what this dark line is? YES, I fricking broke a branch a bit with overaggressive training, and the main damn cola at that. The dark line in the picture is the back side of the break. This line, with the outer hull of the plant still intact, goes about 60% of the way around the stem. The other 40% was the break. It's a significant break. Not impossible to fix though. But unlikely that it'll take, we'll see. So at the end of the day, I accidentally either late-topped a plant by taking off the main cola, or I supercropped a plant that'll make a nice, dense, hard node at the break. I can live with either. But it does suck. I hate breaking ANY branch like that, but with extensive training all the time I accept it as an occasional inevitability. Just really sucks ass when it's the main cola.
3. The upper fix for the break. I was afraid to take the chance of worsening the break by attempting to get a little piece of tape around it as I have done with success in the past. So instead I did this little teepee of support. The position you see this cola branch in has obviously changed a ton - yesterday it was staked down to almost horizontal, and the main cola was facing straight up to the sky and was huge, with two new growth branches coming off the topping point. When I found the break, I gently let all her constraints loose, and this is how much she sprung back up - which is crazy. The pressure point of this teepee is exactly holding the stem above the break in the position it would be in were there no break, and the entire stem around the break point appears "sealed." It'll either work or it won't. I remember recently something like this would have prompted like seven private panicked messages to people. LMAO.
4. The plant post surgery.
So we have a new photo in the mix, and we have a Dos-Si-Dos auto in recovery. Pulling for you girl.
Here you go, as described above:
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You know you're doing a lot of growing when you run out of Dixie cups
Is that LST or Jenga.Good News Bad News
First, the good news.
The Chocolope photo from DNA Genetics has popped, shot out a perfect tap root, and has been put into her temporary home. This pot is about the size of two Dixie cups. I had no Dixie cups, lol. The shoot is in Fox Farms Happy Frog, straight from the bag. Not sure yet what she's going into - depends on the mail. Lots of options, but I believe I will have the necessary ingredients in time to use @Bill284's specific soil mix for this plant. Coco, bokash, frass, soil. When I layer the pot I'll do a post for it to show my version, which should be just like Bill's. Thanks Bill, and thanks a ton for the help/coaching/advice/occasional slapping me back. All of it has made me a better grower. The Chocolope, as it were at the moment, is the first and only "good news" picture.
Now the bad news, and maybe it's not so bad. With soon to be finishing out this epic final grow in this state with a total of 22 active plants (once I add the Chocolope and three more in the next couple days), it's DEFINITELY not so bad, lol. Still, I'm going to show you a picture series of something you should attempt to NOT do, pictures 2 through 4.
1: The Chocolope to be in her starter pot.
2: A closeup of the dark line in the middle of the node of this Dos-Si-Dos outdoor auto. Guess what this dark line is? YES, I fricking broke a branch a bit with overaggressive training, and the main damn cola at that. The dark line in the picture is the back side of the break. This line, with the outer hull of the plant still intact, goes about 60% of the way around the stem. The other 40% was the break. It's a significant break. Not impossible to fix though. But unlikely that it'll take, we'll see. So at the end of the day, I accidentally either late-topped a plant by taking off the main cola, or I supercropped a plant that'll make a nice, dense, hard node at the break. I can live with either. But it does suck. I hate breaking ANY branch like that, but with extensive training all the time I accept it as an occasional inevitability. Just really sucks ass when it's the main cola.
3. The upper fix for the break. I was afraid to take the chance of worsening the break by attempting to get a little piece of tape around it as I have done with success in the past. So instead I did this little teepee of support. The position you see this cola branch in has obviously changed a ton - yesterday it was staked down to almost horizontal, and the main cola was facing straight up to the sky and was huge, with two new growth branches coming off the topping point. When I found the break, I gently let all her constraints loose, and this is how much she sprung back up - which is crazy. The pressure point of this teepee is exactly holding the stem above the break in the position it would be in were there no break, and the entire stem around the break point appears "sealed." It'll either work or it won't. I remember recently something like this would have prompted like seven private panicked messages to people. LMAO.
4. The plant post surgery.
So we have a new photo in the mix, and we have a Dos-Si-Dos auto in recovery. Pulling for you girl.
Here you go, as described above:
Nice save mucker.
Stay safe.
Bill
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Let's call it Low Stress Jenga, ie, LSJ. With a little bit of Pick-Up-Sticks for good measure. Lmao. Not a save just yet. I suspect the break was too severe. But, if I can maintain this position for three or four days she'll probably be okay. Just to be safe, tonight when she goes back in the rig she'll stay there for a bunch of days till she either heals up or dies above the break. That way she won't get wind, me moving her thrice daily, etc. Much better shot at the repair maintaining position, and also she won't follow the sun in the rig, so her top will stay static.Is that LST or Jenga.
Nice save mucker.
Stay safe.
Bill
Best chance I have I think.
Heh.
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Lmao. Putting you to work too hard am I? Lmao. I got it from here I think. Thanks!! I'm going to do exactly that.
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Coco Photos
Dos-Si-Dos, Blueberry, Strawberry Lemonade
5 gallon pots
Veg Day 21
I'm finding it's basically impossible to overwater a plant in a pot of coco. Twenty minutes before this picture was taken, all three of these plants got hit with a 1/2 gallon of water. EACH. That's enough to soak the medium head to toe and get plenty of runoff. I can't imagine a world in straight soil where I'd be giving a 21 day old plant a half gallon of water not too long before bedtime. Just wouldn't happen. In coco - THIS IS THEIR SECOND HALF GALLON TODAY!!!!
The way they look in this picture is how they ALWAYS look. I cannot get them to NOT pray. Half a gallon of water just now and all three of these plants in regular soil would be drooping like crazy. From now on for the sake of posting I will refer to these three as our "Coco Photos."
MAN is this cool.
L to R:
DSD - Blueberry - Strawberry Lemonade
Dos-Si-Dos, Blueberry, Strawberry Lemonade
5 gallon pots
Veg Day 21
I'm finding it's basically impossible to overwater a plant in a pot of coco. Twenty minutes before this picture was taken, all three of these plants got hit with a 1/2 gallon of water. EACH. That's enough to soak the medium head to toe and get plenty of runoff. I can't imagine a world in straight soil where I'd be giving a 21 day old plant a half gallon of water not too long before bedtime. Just wouldn't happen. In coco - THIS IS THEIR SECOND HALF GALLON TODAY!!!!
The way they look in this picture is how they ALWAYS look. I cannot get them to NOT pray. Half a gallon of water just now and all three of these plants in regular soil would be drooping like crazy. From now on for the sake of posting I will refer to these three as our "Coco Photos."
MAN is this cool.
L to R:
DSD - Blueberry - Strawberry Lemonade
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Trichome Report
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Checked all the autos in the rig for trichomes today. Not happy with the pics, but three of the five, (2 SBs and the Gelato) are not ready and still tossing white hairs out. The other two SBs are very close. They're showing maybe 5% amber. Couple days on the first two SBs!!! Interesting that the Gelato is supposedly a 63 day plant and today is day 64. and to my eye and her trichomes she's arguably the furthest from chopping. Crazy. Can't depend on the manufacturer's specs on time. Plants are ready when they're ready. Lol.
@NextLight Autoflower Plants
Checked all the autos in the rig for trichomes today. Not happy with the pics, but three of the five, (2 SBs and the Gelato) are not ready and still tossing white hairs out. The other two SBs are very close. They're showing maybe 5% amber. Couple days on the first two SBs!!! Interesting that the Gelato is supposedly a 63 day plant and today is day 64. and to my eye and her trichomes she's arguably the furthest from chopping. Crazy. Can't depend on the manufacturer's specs on time. Plants are ready when they're ready. Lol.
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What's Going On Outdoors?
1 - 3: Raspberry Parfait outdoor photo, Grow Day 65/Flower Day 29
4 - 6: Pineapple Upside Down Cake outdoor photo, Grow Day 56/Flower Day 21
7 - 8: Dos-Si-Dos Coco Photo going nuts on day 23 of veg with a picture of the same plant just five days ago - the Dos-Si-Dos in the last picture is the little baby on the far right....in five days she became the larger plant.
1 - 3: Raspberry Parfait outdoor photo, Grow Day 65/Flower Day 29
4 - 6: Pineapple Upside Down Cake outdoor photo, Grow Day 56/Flower Day 21
7 - 8: Dos-Si-Dos Coco Photo going nuts on day 23 of veg with a picture of the same plant just five days ago - the Dos-Si-Dos in the last picture is the little baby on the far right....in five days she became the larger plant.
That raspberry parfait is frosty as is gets!
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Frostiest plant I've ever grown at a month into flower. By.....far. It's unreal. Maybe you guys are used to that, but in my experience this is unprecedented.
Nine Toed Hippie
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You know you get up early and sprinkle sugar on your plants every morning. The gig is up Mister.
NTH
NTH
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Chocolope
Veg Day 1
Veg Day 1
Welcome Helmet Head!
Plants are growing like weeds and the frost is coming on strong. Those buds on the Gelato are a sight!
And no one grows in coco outside for the very reasons you're finding!
Plants are growing like weeds and the frost is coming on strong. Those buds on the Gelato are a sight!
And no one grows in coco outside for the very reasons you're finding!
Even indoors some people have to water 3x a day in full flower.