Jon's First Outdoor Grow: Sugar Breath Photoperiod & Strawberry Banana Autoflower

[Jon]

All the Girls Outside in the Morning

Here's the sum of my backyard on this side of the house in the morning now. Back and forth. Every day. 10 plants. 3 location changes daily. This is the first spot of the day.

I called Molly to see if she would turn and show her face for the picture and she was nice enough to oblige. Lol.

L to R:
PUC/RP/SB/3 new outdoor photos/4 outdoor autos

 

[Jon]

A question on Coco.....

Hey @Bill284, this one's for you when you have a chance, please. (and anyone with coco experience who knows the answer to this, please chime in if you would....) So the three outdoor photos that are still small and just started outside are in almost entirely coco. In fact, at this point they are well past the few inches of FF soil and the roots are all in the coco. I am finding that ALREADY I have to water twice a day. Jeez. The coco and fabric pot and sun and breeze combo is drying these puppies all the way out FAST. I knew to expect that, but jeez....and It's not gonna get better, it's gonna get worse. More. So here's my question:

Today was first feed day of FF week three. I gave that to them this morning. By the evening when they go back in the rig they will need watered again. So do I again give them week 3 of FF? Or do I go clean water, ie, every other watering?

I guess the question really is, is feeding with coco a "whenever you feed, feed that day entirely, and the next day, clean water entirely, and then feed again the day after that, regardless of how many times you have to water?" sort of thing? Or is there a system I can use? How is this done my friend?

THANKS!

 

[Jon]

Our Outdoor Afternoon Lineup is Growing, lol....

Today I started the newest photos outdoors during the day, and so here's the new afternoon lineup before dragging the big photos to the mix. The newest outdoors are the three immediately to the left of the very first plant on the right. Also, note the fourth plant in from the left. That's the Dos-Si-Dos outdoor auto, completely destroying the other three outdoor autos to it's left. Fast growing pheno, this one.

 

[Jon]

Further Training Outdoor Autos

I'll keep training autos as long as they'll let me. These Dos-Si-Dos are all topped once and branches flattened to the side or almost, and now all the colas are pulled 90 degrees (or close to it) over to the side. The tops cooperated. Heh. I like when that happens. Only had to reverse anchor one of them. The Gorilla Zkittlez I did not pull the cola to the side. Instead, I bent the two shoots emerging from the topping point and bent them down almost 120 degrees or so, maybe 110. You can bend however you want when they're small. Lol. I want her to keep her height without the cola bend over. By bending these downward and spreading out and letting the lower branches come up, we should be able to get all those cola tops to about the same height. Worked out perfectly on the Chunkadelic, that's my model for this GZ, although the nodal growth on this particular plant and the DSD in Sohum both produced an extra long nodal space between nodes 2 and 3. Weird. Longer by far than the others on both plants. That makes it a bit more challenging but it appears we have some time yet. My notes say the GZ I grew the first time I tried (first auto I ever harvested) started flowering at 28 days. Same seed, same producer. Should be the same. The DSD's are more classic bush style training. All of this is simple reusing of the stakes/twisties I made for the tent grow and are now out of there. It's painfully easy and takes seconds - did all these plants in under two minutes each. Not that I'm so good, it's just really that easy a training method. All four and I was done ten minutes later and on to the next thing.

Here they are, listed by plant, nutes, and pot size.

Dos-Si-Dos #1 (GeoFlora/7)
DSD #2 (GeoFlora/5)
DSD #3 (Sohum/7 - you can see the long node space I'm talking about well in this picture)
Gorilla Zkittlez (Sohum/7)

 

[Jon]

Outdoor Raspberry Parfait
Revisit a Picture

Guys, I posted this earlier this morning. This is a Raspberry Parfait bud. Not the cola. Just a top of a random lower branch. This thing is INCREDIBLY frosty. I don't know if I've ever even completed a plant this frosty at the end. This outfrosts all three of the sweeties in the tent grow.

THIS IS ONLY DAY 26 OF FLOWER.

Are you serious?

 

[Jon]

A question on Coco.....

Hey @Bill284, this one's for you when you have a chance, please. (and anyone with coco experience who knows the answer to this, please chime in if you would....) So the three outdoor photos that are still small and just started outside are in almost entirely coco. In fact, at this point they are well past the few inches of FF soil and the roots are all in the coco. I am finding that ALREADY I have to water twice a day. Jeez. The coco and fabric pot and sun and breeze combo is drying these puppies all the way out FAST. I knew to expect that, but jeez....and It's not gonna get better, it's gonna get worse. More. So here's my question:

Today was first feed day of FF week three. I gave that to them this morning. By the evening when they go back in the rig they will need watered again. So do I again give them week 3 of FF? Or do I go clean water, ie, every other watering?

I guess the question really is, is feeding with coco a "whenever you feed, feed that day entirely, and the next day, clean water entirely, and then feed again the day after that, regardless of how many times you have to water?" sort of thing? Or is there a system I can use? How is this done my friend?

THANKS!

ADDENDUM POST

Ok, a couple things I'm already seeing with coco.

- You gotta water a LOT. These are basically just out of being seedlings, and at 5 pm I gave them their SECOND i/2 gallon of the day. I'm talking soaking the entire 3-4 inches of the outside of the pot all the way to runoff. Christ, my photos in the tent don't drink this much, it's insane. And I think it's not that they're drinking that much but that coco basically just lets the water run through, and dries out fast. I am literally in disbelief that I had to give each of these girls an entire gallon of water today. Here's a good illustration I think: I can't water these plants enough to get them to droop. Not once have they drooped. They are always praying. I mean always.

- The plants grow FAST. This much growth for this day of life is something I haven't seen in straight soil before, or living soil.

- All three of these plants are going to fill these pots with roots way quicker than I'm used to. Had I known I'd have used bigger pots.

- Once I determined the roots were into the coco, I began feeding at 5.8, and it does so far indeed seem to be the right target. The girls are healthy and the right shade of green.

I already can see @Bill284 was right - you can make monsters in coco. And I didn't even use bokashi or any of his mix.

Wow.

 

[Bill284]

A question on Coco.....

Hey @Bill284, this one's for you when you have a chance, please. (and anyone with coco experience who knows the answer to this, please chime in if you would....) So the three outdoor photos that are still small and just started outside are in almost entirely coco. In fact, at this point they are well past the few inches of FF soil and the roots are all in the coco. I am finding that ALREADY I have to water twice a day. Jeez. The coco and fabric pot and sun and breeze combo is drying these puppies all the way out FAST. I knew to expect that, but jeez....and It's not gonna get better, it's gonna get worse. More. So here's my question:

Today was first feed day of FF week three. I gave that to them this morning. By the evening when they go back in the rig they will need watered again. So do I again give them week 3 of FF? Or do I go clean water, ie, every other watering?

I guess the question really is, is feeding with coco a "whenever you feed, feed that day entirely, and the next day, clean water entirely, and then feed again the day after that, regardless of how many times you have to water?" sort of thing? Or is there a system I can use? How is this done my friend?

THANKS!

What did I tell? Omg your so funny.
Remember that big JH I grew outside in coco.
I said never again.
I rigged up a 100L tank and pump inside and hooked it to my garden hose just to keep the dam thing wet.
Don't tell anyone I did occasionally soak it with straight water ,on the outside of the black bags.
But coco requires fed every day up to 3 times a day at 5.8 exactly with calmag in your mix first. No water ever.
I've never run an alternating system feed/water though I mistreated my GG when I was house hunting and they were not pretty.
Yours might start to show some deficiencies after a week and if not just keep going, hehe.
Your going to need a 300L tank out there or your going to have to work your ass off hauling nutrients by the time their finished.
Get a tank with a pump and a timer and hope they don't too big.

Stay safe.
Bill

 

[Jon]

What did I tell? Omg your so funny.
Remember that big JH I grew outside in coco.
I said never again.
I rigged up a 100L tank and pump inside and hooked it to my garden hose just to keep the dam thing wet.
Don't tell anyone I did occasionally soak it with straight water ,on the outside of the black bags.
But coco requires fed every day up to 3 times a day at 5.8 exactly with calmag in your mix first. No water ever.
I've never run an alternating system feed/water though I mistreated my GG when I was house hunting and they were not pretty.
Yours might start to show some deficiencies after a week and if not just keep going, hehe.
Your going to need a 300L tank out there or your going to have to work your ass off hauling nutrients by the time their finished.
Get a tank with a pump and a timer and hope they don't too big.

Stay safe.
Bill

@3!!%&!!

 

[Jon]

@3!!%&!!

What's calmag in your mix first, never water mean?

You mean to add calmag first thing to my water before I ph it, right? Or do you mean when I feed cal mag I should do it every day and not mix it with the nute feedings? And does coco really require daily cal mag? That's also insane.

Why do people grow in coco? This is already crazy and we just got started! Lmao.

Also, I'm already at the point where I'm like, why don't I just hose the damn things on the bags all the time? What's the difference with cloth pots? I mean for clean water waterings? Oh yeah, ph level. Duh. Never mind. They wouldn't like the 7.1 water from my hose. Duh again.

 

[Bill284]

ADDENDUM POST

Ok, a couple things I'm already seeing with coco.

- You gotta water a LOT. These are basically just out of being seedlings, and at 5 pm I gave them their SECOND i/2 gallon of the day. I'm talking soaking the entire 3-4 inches of the outside of the pot all the way to runoff. Christ, my photos in the tent don't drink this much, it's insane. And I think it's not that they're drinking that much but that coco basically just lets the water run through, and dries out fast. I am literally in disbelief that I had to give each of these girls an entire gallon of water today. Here's a good illustration I think: I can't water these plants enough to get them to droop. Not once have they drooped. They are always praying. I mean always.

- The plants grow FAST. This much growth for this day of life is something I haven't seen in straight soil before, or living soil.

- All three of these plants are going to fill these pots with roots way quicker than I'm used to. Had I known I'd have used bigger pots.

- Once I determined the roots were into the coco, I began feeding at 5.8, and it does so far indeed seem to be the right target. The girls are healthy and the right shade of green.

I already can see @Bill284 was right - you can make monsters in coco. And I didn't even use bokashi or any of his mix.

Wow.

Be careful what you wish for, it'll be like trying to feed a rugby team every day all day.
Those girls are going to explode on you.
Coco is the feken bomb though I love it.
If you try the secret ingredients next time you will be pleased.
Stay safe.
Bill

 

[Jon]

Be careful what you wish for, it'll be like trying to feed a rugby team every day all day.
Those girls are going to explode on you.
Coco is the feken bomb though I love it.
If you try the secret ingredients next time you will be pleased.
Stay safe.
Bill

Still didn't follow you on the cal mag thing. Are you saying to feed them calmag every day???!!!!

EDIT: Oh, you are saying that. Duh, there's no soil. And no Cal or Mag in coco. They only get what you give them. Same for nutes. Not getting nutes from the soil like usual, only from what you give.

Is this correct?

 

[Bill284]

What's calmag in your mix first, never water mean?

You mean to add calmag first thing to my water before I ph it, right? Or do you mean when I feed cal mag I should do it every day and not mix it with the nute feedings? And does coco really require daily cal mag? That's also insane.

Why do people grow in coco? This is already crazy and we just got started! Lmao.

Also, I'm already at the point where I'm like, why don't I just hose the damn things on the bags all the time? What's the difference with cloth pots? I mean for clean water waterings? Oh yeah, ph level. Duh. Never mind. They wouldn't like the 7.1 water from my hose. Duh again.

I'm crying laughing here.
Put calmag in your water first, then your micro nutrients, your grow nutrients then anything else you use then set your ph to 5.8 every time then feed every day.
It's like taking care of petulant teenagers one member said to me.
Also potassium silicate once a week don't forget.
This should be interesting mucker.
I'll give you my pager number.
Stay safe.
Bill

 

[Jon]

I'm crying laughing here.
Put calmag in your water first, then your micro nutrients, your grow nutrients then anything else you use then set your ph to 5.8 every feken time then feed every day.
It's like taking care of petulant teenagers one member said to me.
Also potassium silicate once a week don't forget.
This should be interesting mucker.
I'll give you my pager number.
Stay safe.
Bill

Laugh away, laughing boy, just keep teaching me. Lol!!!

Thanks, that's what I thought you meant, just making sure.

I'm going to try for now what I did today. For now I'm getting away with two waterings a day. That won't last long I know now, but as long as it does, until they tell me not to, I'm going to use the first watering of the day as the nute watering, and the second of the day as the clean water watering. With Cal Mag added to all and all ph'ed to 5.8. So all this week til next Saturday they'll get week 3 of the FF chart with each morning feeding, and clean water in the pm. See how that goes.

This is fun. It'll be a pain in the ass, but it's fun. And suddenly I see myself needing more FF nutes. Damnit.

Lmao.

 

[Renaissance Man]

Laugh away, laughing boy, just keep teaching me. Lol!!!

Thanks, that's what I thought you meant, just making sure.

I'm going to try for now what I did today. For now I'm getting away with two waterings a day. That won't last long I know now, but as long as it does, until they tell me not to, I'm going to use the first watering of the day as the nute watering, and the second of the day as the clean water watering. With Cal Mag added to all and all ph'ed to 5.8. So all this week til next Saturday they'll get week 3 of the FF chart with each morning feeding, and clean water in the pm. See how that goes.

This is fun. It'll be a pain in the ass, but it's fun.

Damn, that is a lot of work!

 

[Jon]

Damn, that is a lot of work!

That's only a third of it. I was dumb enough to do THREE plants this way. Lmao.

 

[Jon]

I'm crying laughing here.
Put calmag in your water first, then your micro nutrients, your grow nutrients then anything else you use then set your ph to 5.8 every time then feed every day.
It's like taking care of petulant teenagers one member said to me.
Also potassium silicate once a week don't forget.
This should be interesting mucker.
I'll give you my pager number.
Stay safe.
Bill

Ok, damnit, I'm getting all the way on the train. What the hell. I'm ready to pull the trigger on Bokashi, @Bill284. I'm on the Zon now. There's a trillion kinds. What do I get? Brand? How much do I need? Please. Thanks.

 

[Bill284]

Ok, damnit, I'm getting all the way on the train. What the hell. I'm ready to pull the trigger on Bokashi, @Bill284. I'm on the Zon now. There's a trillion kinds. What do I get? Brand? How much do I need? Please. Thanks.

It's in my GG thread, here is a link.
Just get the cheaper bag you don't need the ingredients in the expensive one.

G.G. Clone Topped Before 10 Days Old

I just blew up your pic. Those clones are perfect wow. :thumb: I actually need them to slow down a bit as the flower tent is full for a couple more weeks and I'm risking these clones growing too big. Flower tent is only 100cm tall:rofl:

www.420magazine.com

Give it a look.
Stay safe.
Bill

 

[Jon]

Gelato Autoflower Support Structure
Day 63

Damn, @Michael Hunt, your namesake Gelato has gone nuts on me. She's a productive beast. Stinky too. But fattening up rapidly and falling to one side due to her own weight. That and the way I trained her would automatically have her list to one side if she was going to. And she did.

So I did this. No more wood. BRICKS. Lol.

The Gelato, aka Michael, now fully supported.

 

[Jon]

It's in my GG thread, here is a link.
Just get the cheaper bag you don't need the ingredients in the expensive one.

G.G. Clone Topped Before 10 Days Old

I just blew up your pic. Those clones are perfect wow. :thumb: I actually need them to slow down a bit as the flower tent is full for a couple more weeks and I'm risking these clones growing too big. Flower tent is only 100cm tall:rofl:

www.420magazine.com

Give it a look.
Stay safe.
Bill

Ok, I got this:

TeraGanix Bokashi EM-1 Organic Rice Bran Mix – Dry Powder to Compost Food & Pet Waste Indoors for Better Planting Soil (5 LB Fresh EM Bokashi)​

It said growers can just add it as is to soil mix, a la your deal, so I went with it. Will this suffice?

 

[Bill284]

Ok, I got this:

TeraGanix Bokashi EM-1 Organic Rice Bran Mix – Dry Powder to Compost Food & Pet Waste Indoors for Better Planting Soil (5 LB Fresh EM Bokashi)​

It said growers can just add it as is to soil mix, a la your deal, so I went with it. Will this suffice?

Now you just need some good quality frass.
I see a beanstalk in your future.
Stay safe.
Bill