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Lol! I love how you made the font really small for that end part where you twist the knife a little....Great work, Jon. Sounds like you're getting your setup dialed in just in time to move
Thanks, Azi!
Jon's First Outdoor Grow: Sugar Breath Photoperiod & Strawberry Banana Autoflower
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damn them sugar leaves could be mistaken for a treat! amazing Jon id be likeApple Blossom
Grow Day 114
Flower Day 54
A Fairly Comprehensive Late Assessment
I retract my earlier assessment of this plant as a hybrid pheno. At this point she looks and is acting like much more of a sativa. You can see the sativa-esque bud formation in the pictures. She's also now close to two weeks past the 45 days Humboldt lists for this strain's flowering time. The buds are long and productive top to bottom. She's going to be kind of a pain in the ass to trim, I can already see that, but hey, she's the only thing I'll have to trim for a change. One plant is a dream!
The buds are starting to take on their final shapes it seems and some of them are tightening up to where they almost look like finished buds. Won't be long now - three or four days maybe? I'll check trichs later on, but I'm sure we're not ready yet.
Earlier in flower I was looking at the buds and thinking, man, what a plant, but apparently her one downside is going to be productivity. Now I don't at all think that. She's really packed on the weight in the last ten days or so. The lower interior buds are also getting great light for a change, and they are 20x more productive than my previous efforts. Amazing what giving a bud a little space and light will do. Many of the lower interior buds pictured are shoots that grew off the main stems. Many of these would, in my previous grows, be flarf. Not now. The differences in the training this time are really showing up in late flower:
- way better lower interior bud production
- way better top to bottom growth on each individual branch
- way less flarf/waste
- way more consistency bud to bud
- significantly better overall productivity
- much improved air flow
- much improved canopy spacing between the buds
A couple things I did this time that I never did previously that I believe really helped I believe were:
- trimming way more branch growth/undercarriage growth that wasn't going to amount to anything
- trimming way LESS fan leaves
- removing every other shoot/node set on the main branches as they grew out rather than leave them all and get a mess of flarf all bunched together - this way they had space and light and as a result the lower interior buds in particular are way improved and will be very productive
- did NOT mess around with additives to the @Prescription Blend nutes, just went with the plan start to (almost) finish, and never varied from the prescribed dosages
- maintained a more consistent and warmer temperature in both day/night temps in flower without ever letting it get below 63 degrees at night, so no ultra cold night temps, and up to as high as 83 during the day
- was able to maintain an RH in the high 30s to low 40s for all of flower, with no spikes as I've always had in the past, and I think the consistency of proper RH maintained all the time has had a significant impact
- used the @NextLight 420h in a 3x3, which is frankly too big for it to be honest, but which by using the dimmer effectively allowed me to maintain an extremely consistent footprint across the entire canopy, with much better corner and edge ppfd numbers than I've gotten in the past - more ppfd = more growth
So there's my late assessment of the girl. She's within a week for sure now I believe. Her smell....god you guys I wish I could share. I've never smelled a pot plant that smells like this. The green apple odor is just super predominant and super impossible to miss. The entire garage fills with the odor within about 20 seconds of opening the door to the tent. The terpenes are off the charts. It's like candied green apple dankness with a deep, natural, earthy smell to it. The only plant that compares out of all 20 plants in terms of how specifically and gorgeously STANKY she is was the Raspberry Parfait. You guys may recall me expounding on how raspberry she smelled and how strong the terpenes were in her. Another Humboldt Seed Company strain by the way. I do take note that my two best terpene plants I have grown yet both came from this breeder. I'll put Humboldt County, California, USA up against anything Amsterdam has to offer any day. Amazing genetics. I would argue it's where truly amazing pot was first produced in this country. My plant actually looks almost exactly like the pictures they show in their catalog for a change too, only they got these gorgeous purple and blue tips to the small sugar leaves. I have strictly green buds with orange hairs. Not really any other colors, but the green is such an amazing shade - it is almost is the color of green apples, which is kind of cool. I'm so glad I have 9 more seeds of this strain. I love plants that test your filter.
So enough out of me, let's get to the porn for god's sake.
These first two pictures are leaf pictures, one on the plant and one off. I show these to show how the fade has gone on this girl. Just a smooth, gentle green to yellow.
This picture is the pile of crap I removed today.
These next three pictures show individual branches of buds from various spots on the plant.
Then we have a three photo set specifically designed to display what I was talking about with the lower interior growth. Much of what you see in these pictures would be flarfy in the past. As you can see, they are sweet ass legitimate buds.
And lastly we have the good stuff - BUDS. Heh. I love me some bud closeup shots. The first of these pictures is the one that captures the true colors of the plant the best. You can see they look more "finished" than they did a couple days ago.
Alrighty! That would be my final long assessment post on this girl. From here to the end we'll just do pictures mostly, there's not a whole lot else to say about her. Not that I won't comment. Not sure I possess that ability. Lmao.
I am guessing on yield that this plant will end up with between five and six ounces jarred. I always overestimate, but that seem to be reasonable. Too high? We will know soon enough. Worthy of note for me is that another improvement I made in this grow was committing to NOT take any "testers."I always do that, and it's a complete waste of time and 100% unnecessary. Not going to tell me a damn thing, no relation in reality to the actual end product. Heh. So whatever she gives me - I still have ALL of it.
Have a great week guys. Happy Monday.
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Apple Blossom Trichomes
Flower Day 55
Still say she doesn't make 60 days. Lol.
Flower Day 55
Still say she doesn't make 60 days. Lol.
If we hide your scissors it will.Apple Blossom Trichomes
Flower Day 55
Still say she doesn't make 60 days. Lol.
Beautiful pics Jon.
Hope everything is going well my friend.
Stay safe
Bill
Noice! And depends on how you like them. Seems to be "in the harvest window" already.
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Thanks Bill and for you as well. The FPC seedlings are 14 days in and getting watered to runoff now. Now is when we see the super crazy early veg growth in coco I think. They're chomping at the bit to run. The WWC auto is only a few days behind that from the same.If we hide your scissors it will.
Beautiful pics Jon.
Hope everything is going well my friend.
Stay safe
Bill
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True, the very beginning of it I'd say. A smattering of amber, mostly all white, but still a decent percentage of trichs that are still changing from clear to white. The look of the buds will have final say at this point, cuz I could pretty much take her whenever I want. I believe the buds have a little weight yet to generate. It's a sativa pheno, pretty sure, so this would make sense.
EDIT: Just noticed you said "noice!" I thought I was the only one who did that! NOICE!
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My good light I can't talk about
Yeah they not ready. Just really started from what I see also
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Apple Blossom
Flower Day 56
Grow Day 116
Only a few more days to picture my lovely. MAN has she bulked up nicely. And if you see her in the sun, the entire plant shimmers in sparkly green. This plant is so aptly named. The smell is right on and powerful, and for my money, you couldn't ask for a plant that LOOKS more like green apples! Almost entirely lime-ish green with orange hairs. Classic looking bud. So excited about this girl. And she's the last plant of this journal!!! Enjoy.
Flower Day 56
Grow Day 116
Only a few more days to picture my lovely. MAN has she bulked up nicely. And if you see her in the sun, the entire plant shimmers in sparkly green. This plant is so aptly named. The smell is right on and powerful, and for my money, you couldn't ask for a plant that LOOKS more like green apples! Almost entirely lime-ish green with orange hairs. Classic looking bud. So excited about this girl. And she's the last plant of this journal!!! Enjoy.
I'll be sad when the AB comes down. It's a joy to behold every time I see it!
You need to get out more!
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So here's what I'm thinking about tonight, if anyone feels like pondering.....
Outside, the temperatures can be upper 80s low 90s, the humidity can be consistently high, and the direct sun provides more light than any other source.
Let's imagine our large outdoor plant in a spot with no shade, and for a week, it's 92 degrees every day, the humidity is 78-85%, it barely rains, and the sun beats down with little cloud cover every day that week.
If this plant was reasonably healthy at the beginning of said week, and at the end of that week the weather returned to "normal," say 80 degrees, 50% RH, rain every three or four days, etc., you would never even know it most likely. The plant would almost certainly be fine. Might droop a bit, but would quickly recover and not skip a beat.
Would any of us run our tent at 92 degrees, 78-85% humidity, not water our plants, and crank our lights to the max PPFD we could possibly provide FOR A WEEK? Ever?
Of course not. Why not? Because our plants would get trashed and take a long time to come back if they did.
So what's the difference? Why can they take such extreme conditions outdoors and not in a tent grow? And if anyone says they CAN take it in a tent grow, well, you'll have to show me that to sell me (intentional droughting doesn't count, lol).
The musings of a high grower with nothing to do.
Outside, the temperatures can be upper 80s low 90s, the humidity can be consistently high, and the direct sun provides more light than any other source.
Let's imagine our large outdoor plant in a spot with no shade, and for a week, it's 92 degrees every day, the humidity is 78-85%, it barely rains, and the sun beats down with little cloud cover every day that week.
If this plant was reasonably healthy at the beginning of said week, and at the end of that week the weather returned to "normal," say 80 degrees, 50% RH, rain every three or four days, etc., you would never even know it most likely. The plant would almost certainly be fine. Might droop a bit, but would quickly recover and not skip a beat.
Would any of us run our tent at 92 degrees, 78-85% humidity, not water our plants, and crank our lights to the max PPFD we could possibly provide FOR A WEEK? Ever?
Of course not. Why not? Because our plants would get trashed and take a long time to come back if they did.
So what's the difference? Why can they take such extreme conditions outdoors and not in a tent grow? And if anyone says they CAN take it in a tent grow, well, you'll have to show me that to sell me (intentional droughting doesn't count, lol).
The musings of a high grower with nothing to do.
Well there's a huge difference between a light source 18" away and one 93MM miles away regardless of lux!
Not to mention the varying environment, more air, wind, broader spectrum of light, bird crap to add additional nutes (threw this one in as a bonus 
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Ok fair enough, I figured the 93,000,000 mile away sun with it's perfect spectrum vs.18" under any LED is one reason why, although nobody has yet explained in detail WHY this is so - as you have done and I have done, all we do so far is say "well that's a big difference."
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Also Ok, fair enough.Not to mention the varying environment, more air, wind, broader spectrum of light, bird crap to add additional nutes (threw this one in as a bonus
Environmental conditions are way different and there's way more air
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The difference in spectrum/light as Shed began with
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We're still in the same - "these are big differences" place. Which is fine. But what I want to know is WHY?
So what if there's more space and air? We can in theory almost exactly duplicate the outside in a tent, sans the extra space of course. Why don't we? Why does a plant wither in a tent under outdoor conditions?
Thanks to both of you guys, @Azimuth, and @InTheShed, for participating in the musings.
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So what's the ppfd a plant is getting hit with in direct sun? Obviously varies based on geography, time of day, etc, but is it fair to say direct sun at noon is around 2000 ppfd? That's about what my app says.
Would you run a light if you had one that could do it at 2000 ppfd in a tent?
So why can they take it from the sun?
Hi @Jon, your apple tree looks great, congratulations on a great jobApple Blossom
Flower Day 56
Grow Day 116
Only a few more days to picture my lovely. MAN has she bulked up nicely. And if you see her in the sun, the entire plant shimmers in sparkly green. This plant is so aptly named. The smell is right on and powerful, and for my money, you couldn't ask for a plant that LOOKS more like green apples! Almost entirely lime-ish green with orange hairs. Classic looking bud. So excited about this girl. And she's the last plant of this journal!!! Enjoy.
