I was told too inject CO2 at the roots

[WarBux79]

Instead of in the room. They said that plants can take more CO2 via the roots/res and that its much more efficient then trying to raise the room to 1500PPM. If this is the case then wouldnt it be best to add CO2 and O2 to the res? You could use something like one of those Turbo CO2 Bio Systems Turbo CO2 Bio System - up to 40 gallons or even a CO2 regulator and really cut down on the bottles you would need.


Can anyone confirm this?

 

[McBudz]

Instead of in the room. They said that plants can take more CO2 via the roots/res and that its much more efficient then trying to raise the room to 1500PPM. If this is the case then wouldnt it be best to add CO2 and O2 to the res? You could use something like one of those Turbo CO2 Bio Systems Turbo CO2 Bio System - up to 40 gallons or even a CO2 regulator and really cut down on the bottles you would need.


Can anyone confirm this?

The roots like O2 and the leaves like CO2. Sounds like you were misinformed.

 

[grandaddie77]

You beat me too it, MCBudz is correct, the roots use oxygen, the leaves absorb c02. C02 sinks, put it above to "mist" your plants.

I have read an article that c02 can help aquatic plants, but that's not the plant we all care about.

 

[WarBux79]

Thats what I thought too, but then someone told me I was wrong so I started looking into it a bit more and found this that says it does help and am now confused. This guy SpeesCees has his own section here at 420 and seems to be well respected.

CO2 on the roots

 

[McBudz]

Thats what I thought too, but then someone told me I was wrong so I started looking into it a bit more and found this that says it does help and am now confused. This guy SpeesCees has his own section here at 420 and seems to be well respected.

CO2 on the roots

nice articles. There may be some benefit there but I truly feel if it made a real difference you would see more widespread use of this method of c02 delivery.

 

[Spike69]

can you put a straw down the dirt and blow.lol

 

[Flurple]

a buddy of mine posted something like this, i havnt read much about it but i had considered bubbling the CO2 through the res and then venting it into the room. another benefit of this is algea and other micro organisms would have trouble surviving without oxygen in the water

 

[DroJo]

Hey bux

look bro, i wouldnt jump into giving the roots CO2 especially if you're still a novice or beginner grower(not saying you are, jus sayin in general).. get some for your room, as for as your roots, to best take care of them optimally, get some pirahhna and tarantula. they're a beautiful combo together and will give your roots beneficial bacteria & fungi.. and to put the cherry on the top, if you have extra $$ in your budget, get a few of these
3 Gallon Smart Pot 10"x 8.5"

good luck bro

 

[WarBux79]

nice articles. There may be some benefit there but I truly feel if it made a real difference you would see more widespread use of this method of c02 delivery.

I have actually found a few other articles supporting the concept of adding CO2 to the reservoir. I would think it would be a lot more common if it had been proven to work as effective as adding it to the room. My theory is that it is not as effective as adding it to the room itself and thats why you dont see people do it as much.

Depending on results it would be a lot cheaper to get proper CO2 saturation in a reservoir for people who have to vent there system to remove heat/humidity often.

can you put a straw down the dirt and blow.lol

a buddy of mine posted something like this, i havnt read much about it but i had considered bubbling the CO2 through the res and then venting it into the room. another benefit of this is algea and other micro organisms would have trouble surviving without oxygen in the water

I think you would still need to add O2 into the water. Like a happy medium. Plus there are a lot of good organisms that live in your reservoir that you would need to keep alive. Roots cant live without O2

 

[Flurple]

yes that is true, so a tank of CO2 and a tank of 100% explosive medical O2 for the plants haha...foliar application definitely seems the quickest way to deliver CO2 and the simplest. the issue may be to get CO2 concentrations high enough in the resivoir it would have to be under pressure or heavily aerated

unless your grow room is completely air tight the resivoir would be more efficient if the same results can be achieved

 

[McBudz]

If your room is Co2 enriched in one of the classic methods and you use a common air pump and stone to oxygenate the reservoir you are also adding more co2 to the root zone. Hopefully not at a negative cost due to the displacement of o2.

 

[WarBux79]

Well I have decided to setup two DWC systems for 2 clones each made from two crock pots one will just have the regular air pump and the other I will use a air pump and add CO2 to the reservoir to see if it works. My place is starting to stink like cannabis. Its time to plug in the ozone generator I think.

 

[BWC BayArea]

Thats what I thought too, but then someone told me I was wrong so I started looking into it a bit more and found this that says it does help and am now confused. This guy SpeesCees has his own section here at 420 and seems to be well respected.

CO2 on the roots

No disrespect to SpeesCees, but what on earth led u to believe this member is well respected enough to have confidence in his/her word alone? I saw that 11 people had responded to this already but I couldn't resist.That's like saying throwing people in a CO2 enriched room will improve respiration. Like McBudz said either u were misinformed or misunderstood. + rep McBudz once again for sound advice.

 

[WarBux79]

No disrespect to SpeesCees, but what on earth led u to believe this member is well respected enough to have confidence in his/her word alone? I saw that 11 people had responded to this already but I couldn't resist.That's like saying throwing people in a CO2 enriched room will improve respiration. Like McBudz said either u were misinformed or misunderstood. + rep McBudz once again for sound advice.

I totally understand where your coming from. The reason I thought he was well respected enough to test out his theory is because he has his own forum here. A whole section devoted to him and what he says. I wouldnt think 420 mag would give this guy his own forum if he wasnt a highly respected member of the community.

No Mercy Supply - 420 Magazine
(all articles are created by him here)

 

[DroJo]

No disrespect to SpeesCees, but what on earth led u to believe this member is well respected enough to have confidence in his/her word alone? I saw that 11 people had responded to this already but I couldn't resist.That's like saying throwing people in a CO2 enriched room will improve respiration. Like McBudz said either u were misinformed or misunderstood. + rep McBudz once again for sound advice.

Uhhh BWC, Cees is verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry resepected..
he harvests 700gr/m2 6,7 times in a year lol. He's def a big dog lol.
but like i said, bux you might not want to try things like that without fully researching it. There are tons of techniques that growers use that are unorthodox but work for them.
You seem to be doing pretty well with the aero setup you're getting.. get some co2 for the plants and perhaps look into the root injection some more for a later grow would be my friendly suggestion

 

[WarBux79]

Uhhh BWC, Cees is verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry resepected..
he harvests 700gr/m2 6,7 times in a year lol. He's def a big dog lol.
but like i said, bux you might not want to try things like that without fully researching it. There are tons of techniques that growers use that are unorthodox but work for them.
You seem to be doing pretty well with the aero setup you're getting.. get some co2 for the plants and perhaps look into the root injection some more for a later grow would be my friendly suggestion

I will try this as an experiment on 1 or 2 plants in a separate system just because it sounds sooo strange and goes against logic.

 

[BWC BayArea]

Uhhh BWC, Cees is verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry resepected.

Still dunno about that. At first glance this SpeeCees appears to be highly intellegent. To me intellect and respect are 2 totally different creatures. Now 420fied and PitViper are 2 guys I can say are verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry well respected here. I have now clue about their intellectual side, but they can grow their asses off and many members respect their advice and opinion in our forums. I never heard of this other guy, but will definitely look further into his work. It looks like a god read. Thank u all for introducing me to SpeeCees work. Anyone willing to inject CO2 str8 to their roots please start a thread so we can follow.

 

[Flurple]

i checked out a couple of more official sites and found this...

" The enzyme which fixes carbon dioxide is called Rubisco. This is not produced in the roots, as photosynthesis is not active in roots "

":RuBisCO [3], is an enzyme (EC 4.1.1.39) that is used in the Calvin cycle to catalyze the first major step of carbon fixation, a process by which the atoms of atmospheric carbon dioxide are made available to organisms in the form of energy-rich molecules"

so it seems pointless to add CO2 to your roots

 

[DroJo]

Still dunno about that. At first glance this SpeeCees appears to be highly intellegent. To me intellect and respect are 2 totally different creatures. Now 420fied and PitViper are 2 guys I can say are verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry well respected here. I have now clue about their intellectual side, but they can grow their asses off and many members respect their advice and opinion in our forums.

Agreed, Vipe, 420fied, McBudz, OGD, BeIrie, SS, Munki, Wheelo are all very respected growers here, and I didn't mean that any of them weren't as many of them have helped me during plights of my own grows, I was just saying that Ceees is very respected as a Perpetual Harvester who grows from seed. He's unorthodox, but not without merit. For instance, I've seen a pic of a grow of his where his ladies were all in one container, it was sorta like a flood table but filled with soil instead. Would I ever throw all my plants into one container, hell nah. But ill definitly respect any guy who pulls 3 1/2 pounds out of one lol.
I just think the crazier a technique sounds the more it should be tested and researched, that's all bro

 

[aero420]

I think the point that CO2 is used by the leaves and O2 by the roots has been driven home so I will let the horse rest in peace. I have yet to see an hydro garden with an air tight reservoir so I am not sure how the CO2 is going to stay in the reservoir and not blend with the air in the room? Or am I not following the concept being discussed here? I understand it is one of the heavier parts of "air" but still don't think it is heavy enough to pool in the reservoir.

But, like anything else, it might be worth a try. I am sure the first time someone tried to grow a plant with no soil they got some strange looks but we all know how that turned out.

Happy Growing.

Edit: And about the multiple plants in a container, I know it is a common belief that two plants in one container will cause one plant to die. I never tried it, but always though it has more to do with available water and nutrients than the proximity. I used to have an a GH 36 site aeroflo which puts the plants really close and the roots turn into one big tangled mess. I have also seen wild cannabis and it tends to grow in bunches, not spread out like we plant it to allow better light exposure. I think as long as the light is good, the food and water are plenty, and there is room for the roots, you can grow more than one in a container. I might just try it here and will start a journal if I do.