How To: 10oz per plant perpetual indoors

TheCapn

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Introduction
If you've been growing for any amount of time, you know 10oz indoor plants don't come overnight. I grew 4oz plants for a long time, but recently, I've gone to growing just TWO, ~10oz plants. I would like to share my method with the readers here on 420mag. The method is not complicated, and not radically different than what anyone else is doing here. This won't be an exact STEP BY STEP tutorial; this article is designed for people with some experience. I'll tell you how I do it, and if you follow the basic principals, you can grow 10oz plants too. It is relatively inexpensive and easy to set up and maintain.

TheCapn's Experience
I started a few years ago with DWC (deep water culture) in 5 gallon buckets. Then I tried fence post rails with sprayers in them (subject to power failures and not enough space for roots). I've also done StinkBud's Single units (spray aero / dwc combo, which I really like). I've done dirt, sunshine #4, happy frog, ocean forest (slower than hydro), top feed hydroton buckets (water channels and hydroton pinches roots), and bio buckets (leaks, loud, and complicated). Yes I have wasted a lot of money on equipment. The point is I've done them all with success in each, and trust me, I have made my fair share of mistakes. After this, I analyzed it all, to decide what method gives the most yield, with least amount of problems, and best return on investment for both money and effort spent. I will tell you WHY I do things a certain way, and why I think these methods are a great way to grow for both beginners and experienced growers alike. This article is about methods that work for me. If you're an experienced grower and already successful with your growing method, I do not recommend changing it. If you're a new grower, or an experienced hydro grower looking to change methods, read on. I don't have any ground breaking tricks or magic potions, I am simply putting together a tutorial of how I get 10oz / plant indoors.

Think Big
If you research techniques for growing large indoor plants, you will find the people who grow these indoor chongers all have one thing in common: big space for big roots. Yes, you will find people growing 4 ft tall plants in 4" rockwool cubes, but they are getting 3-4oz max from one plant. Logically, a 4" cube can't hold enough root mass to maximize the potential of a monster plant.

Some will argue light is more important for growth. Here's a picture of a plant grown (from another website) under ONLY a 400w HPS, and this yielded 16oz. It was grown in tub (10gal+) of rock wool cubes (top fed). I'm not saying ANYONE can get 16oz with a 400W light and a tub. This grower has been to the rodeo before. My point is, big roots = more nutrient uptake = big plants.

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Let's get started
I'm going to show you the most simple and inexpensive way (I have found) to grow a 10oz+ plant. For the limited scope of this article, I'm going to assume you have SOME experience in growing. You know how to germinate a seed, you know how to sex a plant, you know the basics. If you're totally new, book mark this page and come back to it once you know the basics.

The Grow room
If you want to flower two plants at a time, you will need about 50-60 sq ft of space, and that includes space for vegetative growth (veg). One 4 x 3' area for veg, about 9 x 4 for flowering, and some space to mix up nutrients, and misc equipment. The flower area MUST be light proofed from the veg area. Your room must have exhaust air to the outdoors. Your room should look like a closet, and guests in your house should be able to walk by the room without wondering what's inside.

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Lighting
In VEG, you will need about 400W, no less than 250W. Use several T5 high output 5000-6500K bulbs, but preferably, a Metal halide in a cool tube is the best way to go because you can duct the light heat out of the room. Lights on 18 hrs, off 6 hours.

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In Flower, two 600W HPS (high pressure sodium) lights are needed (one for each plant), inside ducted hoods. Don't waste your money on non air cooled hoods. If you can only afford ONE light, then just go with one for now, get the other when you can afford it. Lights on 12 hrs, off 12 hours.

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OPTIONAL: I use a light mover. Using this method of growing, your plant will be about 4' x 3'. If you don't have a light mover, that's fine, just keep the light higher over the plant to spread the light further.

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Ventilation
To keep co2 moving in the room, a fan is needed. I suggest you do not SKIMP on this fan. Get an oscillating fan designed to run 24/7. Then use one 6" 200cfm+ duct fan to cool your lights. Since your lighting is all sealed, this exhaust has no odor. You can help heat your house with it in the winter. Use another 6" duct fan to exhaust air from the room, pulling thru a carbon filter. If you can only afford one 6" fan, pull all air into the carbon filter, then thru all the lights and then outdoors.

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Growing your plants
Finally we get to the fun part! Your room is set, you have your fans running, and it's time to get on with the show. I'm going to skip how to grow from seed and how to clone, and assume you already have plants. We will be using Rock wool grow-cubes, in a ebb and flow set up, and the SCROG method. I'll explain WHY I use these techniques.

Grow Medium
We will be growing in Rock wool grow-cubes for both veg and flower. Why rockwool? It is clean. The rockwool gro cubes are square. It is the perfect media for giving your roots a place to take hold, and also leaving tons of oxygen in the spaces between the square cubes. In addition, rockwool will not pinch or break roots, as hydroton will. It is lightweight and it is about the same price as high quality soil. At my local store, a bag of grow-cubes is $24, and a bag of "happy frog" soil is $22. Rockwool allows you to water your plants 2-3 times a day, giving them more opportunity to get fresh nutrients, then, lots of oxygen (but still moist). We won't be wasting any rockwool; it will be a mass of roots before we are done.

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Growing Method (Irrigation)
Ebb and flow (aka Flood and drain) WHY?

1. Roots love a wet and dry cycle. Ebb and flow floods the roots with nutrients and then lots of oxygen. It is a time proven method of growing.

2. Limited plumbing means less chance for leaks. No sprayers clogging, no air pumps running.

3. Because we are growing in rockwool, we only need to flood 2-3 times a day, using an inexpensive water pump, and no noisy air pump is required. So we don't have a magnetic water pump constantly sucking minerals from and heating our water, or making too much noise. And we don't need to worry about a power outage.

4. Using ebb and flow, instead of "top feed", completely floods the grow container, giving equal nutrients to all parts of the root system. No chance for water channeling.

5. Ebb and Flow in rockwool is less prone to pythium (over aero or DWC), which can destroy an entire crop in a couple weeks.

Vegetative Growth
Ok lets set up our veg closet. You use Ebb and flow, or top feed to waste if you prefer. We can use a regular inexpensive nursery pot in a "flood and drain" tray, with a fitting on the tray to drain to a waste bucket or a ebb and flow reservoir. If you choose ebb and flow, set your timer to flood one time a day when the lights come on. A tray like this should be ~8" tall, and can be found at any hydro garden store, or you can DIY. Water fills in from the bottom, floods the tray, and then overflows out the other fitting. When the pump shuts off, the entire tray drains back thru the pump.

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Here is an example of a plant sitting in a flood tray

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A flood tray is simple to set up, low chance of leaking, low maintenance, and inexpensive. As plants in pots get larger, the roots quickly fill up a 1-2 gallon pot, and you'll need to transplant to a bigger pot. I do not recommend starting your plant in a BIG pot. Roots tend to grow to the walls of the pot, then circle. Personally, I hand water to waste during more humid months. After flooding a tray, the entire tray is wet and that water evaporates, adding humidity to your grow room. In the dry months, you will want this effect. It's Up to you.

Your goal in VEG is to grow your plants as big as fast as possible to prepare them for flower. Most importantly, we will SHAPE or train them to look more like a square bush, instead of a christmas tree, more on that below. Along with regular nutrients, I use Dutch master liquid light foliar spray. It DOES make a difference!

How do we shape our plant in veg?
This is one of the most important things we need to do in order to get a high yield. We want to give our plant a "vanilla ice ice baby" FLAT top. This is what separates the 4oz plants from the 10oz plants. There are tons of articles on this site on HOW to do these techniques. I'll show you how:

Topping. When we TOP a plant, we take off the terminal shoot; meaning, the very top of the branch that is making upward growth. Sometimes, it is hard to tell which one is actually the top. When we do this, it causes the two lower branches (bud sites) to grow more equally, instead of the main shoot being dominant. Here's how:

Find the terminal shoot from the branch
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cut it, and you just made TWO branches instead of one
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Here is a perfect example the results of topping.
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Knowing when and where to top: This is where some experience comes in. You will get the feel of when it is time to top your plants. From seed, wait until the plant has about 4-5 sets of fan leaves, then cut the very top. Once the plant grows a bit, like the results above, you can top it again, making 4 main branches. After that, it's time to bend her over ;-)

LST (low stress training)
LST simply means a way of training our plants to grow a certain way, without radically hurting them. Typically, when we refer to LST, we are talking about bending or holding down branches in order to expose more light to lower branches. Auxins are spread out more evenly to all branches. Google "auxins" for more information, but in a nutshell, auxins are the hormone in plants that make them grow straight up, and most plant energy is focused on the center and tallest part of the plant. Distributing these auxins to other areas in the plant, cause it to grow more evenly. The end result is a few dozen colas (bud masses) of the same size, rather than a few massive colas (prone to mold because they are too thick) and many little ones.

When I train my plants, I gently spread it out so the little branches can get more light. I don't "kink" the branches (aka super cropping). Super cropping is more of a HST High stress, because the plant must repair the damaged tissue. I generally do whatever it takes to spread out branches so they are not on top of each other.

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In some cases I will super crop if needed. Here is another picture after a quick session of bending:

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I'll do this every few days, and tie branches down if necessary. Lets fast forward a bit... Here is the same plant 17 days later, 36" x 30" and ready for flower:

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Perpetual
We want to harvest a plant once a month. So, at all times we will have two plants in flower, one month apart, and two plants in VEG, one month apart. Each plant in "vegged" for 2 months and flowered for two months. So every time you harvest a plant, you will take the plant that has been in veg for two months, take a clone of it, then put it into flower. If you're afraid your clone won't make it, take a few. Read this if you need a cloning recipe.

Flowering
When you're ready to flower, your plant should be around 2 ft x 3ft wide. Two months from clone or from seed should give you the size you need to go 10oz. In the above picture, you will see I am experimenting with even bigger pots (to see if there is a significant difference from 3.5 to 5 gallons of media), but for the scope of this article, I'll show you how to do it in the 3.5 gallon nursery pot. I will detail this a little more because I have not seen anyone use this same method before. Basically we will make a ebb and flow bucket.

Materials needed

1. Flood and drain kit (1/2" input, 3/4" output)
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2. One 5 gallon bucket
3. One 7-10 gallon reservoir (any container will work)
4. One #5 nursery pot $5
5. One small bag grodan grow-cubes (NOT CHUNKS) will do 3 pots $24/3 - $8
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6. Any small water pump $18
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7. A few feet of 1/2" and 3/4" flexible hose $10

Put it together

1. Grow your plant in your #5 (3.5 gallon) nursery pot. Notice this pot fits right inside a 5 gallon bucket.
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2. Drill holes in your buckets and install the flood and drain kit
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3. Place the 5 gallon bucket, about 12" off the floor, with your reservoir sitting right on the floor.

4. Water pump goes to the bottom fitting with 1/2" tube, and drain hose 3/4 goes to top fitting
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When the pump kicks on, it will fill the bucket from the bottom and overflow out the higher, 3/4" fitting. When the pump shuts off, the entire bucket drains back thru the pump.
Set your timer to run twice a day. Once at lights in, again 8 hours later. You are now up and running! Time to feed your plant into the screen.

SCROG
SCROG stands for "screen of green". It is similar to a trellis, where we spread out branches in equal distances from each other, to get an even canopy of buds. Check out this picture of a past plant I harvested. You can see how I fed the branches up thru the screen (metal garden fence from hardware store) keeping all branches about the same height. Also notice a couple branches were actually "kinked" to get them where I wanted them. This is the same technique we did above in VEG, however, in flower, the branches produce colas, and the weight of the cola will bend the branch down. Plus, the screen gives us more control.

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I wont go into too much detail about how to do this, because there is no much info about it already, as it is a very popular method. You should use plastic coated metal fencing, usually found at home stores, for putting around the garden. The holes are 3" x 2". Put the screen on top of the plant (your canopy should already be somewhat level), secured with cable ties, on any type of support (I use PVC pipe). Slow and steady here! Don't break any branches. Move branches around as needed to spread them evenly. As you do this, you may be able to move the screen down a little bit. To move a branch, you can pull it under the screen, and push it up where you want it. If you are afraid to break it, you can use wire cutters to cut a wire, move the branch one step over, and bend the wire back. You will adjust branches under the screen, every few days, for the first 10 days of flower. If you have branches not tall enough to reach the screen, make sure they are getting light, and they will get tall enough in the next week. After 10 days, no more adjustments should be needed; just let them stretch. Branches will stretch ~12" or more above the screen. This is a good thing, and these branches will fill up with buds. Here are a couple pictures:

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After two weeks, take a look under the canopy. Any bud sites that don't get light, get chopped off. If not, they take up energy and don't ripen well with no light. Don't get crazy here ok? If it's questionable, leave it. I have a lot of green here above the canopy. I don't remove fan leaves unless they are really blocking buds. I try to fold them under if possible. Fan leaves provide energy to the plant.

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Nutrients
I could write another article just on nutrients, so I won't do it here. In a nutshell, use a popular line nutrients. Use a ppm of no more than 600 (@.5 conversion rate) during vegetative growth, and 1400 during flower. If you don't have a meter, mix up a few gallons at 1/3-1/2 of what the vendor's nutrient calculator says, then take your mix to your local grow store and ask them to check the PPM, then adjust from there. PH should be 5.6 to 6.0 throughout the entire grow. Change your nutrients once a week. Depending on the strain, you may be able to go longer, but I risk deficiencies if I wait too long.

Beneficial Bacteria
Again, I could write another post just on this, so I will try to keep it short and simple. Roots benefit greatly from beneficial bacteria in the grow medium. Some growers refer to them as "bennies". I use heisenberg's beneficial tea once a week. Making tea can be daunting for new growers. The fact is, I cannot get plants this healthy without beneficial bacteria. It is an important part of this growing method. At a minimum, I would suggest using "aquashield" and some type of mycorrhizae in all the water you use. Better yet, buy a bag of "ancient forest" from your grow store, and follow the tea recipe on the back of the back.

Summary
I know I've missed many items here. Like I said before, this is not a "step by step", but should give novice and intermediate growers enough information to copy this method and start growing some indoor banshees themselves. Again, nothing of what I'm doing is different than what others are doing already, I'm just putting it all together in one tutorial. However, I have yet to see anyone use the 3.5 gal pot of rockwool cubes in the 5 gal ebb and flow bucket. I think grow-cubes are over looked. They are an excellent growing medium. No, I don't work for grodan, but that chick on youtube has some nice t_ts, yeah?

Here are a couple final pictures of two plants in flower, about 4 weeks apart.

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I apologize for any typos or grammar errors above. Questions and constructive tips encouraged. Happy Growing!
 
Introduction

Vegetative Growth
Ok lets set up our veg closet. You use Ebb and flow, or top feed to waste if you prefer. We can use a regular inexpensive nursery pot in a "flood and drain" tray, with a fitting on the tray to drain to a waste bucket or a ebb and flow reservoir. If you choose ebb and flow, set your timer to flood one time a day when the lights come on. A tray like this should be ~8" tall, and can be found at any hydro garden store, or you can DIY.

ebbandflowdiagram.jpg


Here is an example of a plant sitting in a flood tray

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Materials needed

1. Flood and drain kit (1/2" input, 3/4" output)
FillandDrain.jpg

2. One 5 gallon bucket
3. One 7-10 gallon reservoir (any container will work)
4. One #5 nursery pot $5
5. One small bag grodan grow-cubes (NOT CHUNKS) will do 3 pots $24/3 - $8
growcubes.jpg

6. Any small water pump $18
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7. A few feet of 1/2" and 3/4" flexible hose $10

Put it together

1. Grow your plant in your #5 (3.5 gallon) nursery pot. Notice this pot fits right inside a 5 gallon bucket.
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2. Drill holes in your buckets and install the flood and drain kit
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3. Place the 5 gallon bucket, about 12" off the floor, with your reservoir sitting right on the floor.

4. Water pump goes to the bottom fitting with 1/2" tube, and drain hose 3/4 goes to top fitting
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Set your timer to run twice a day. Once at lights in, again 8 hours later. You are now up and running! Time to feed your plant into the screen.


Only thing im not picing up is how the drain happens, is it just a dwc bucket that will trickel over when it fills to the point??

Interested in the drawing you made, that is the set up im building atm, want to see someone do that!
 
Hi JLT, Good point. I just edited my post a bit and added this:

Ebb and flow in tray:
Water fills in from the bottom, floods the tray, and then overflows out the other fitting. When the pump shuts off, the entire tray drains back thru the pump.

Ebb and flow in bucket:
When the pump kicks on, it will fill the bucket from the bottom and overflow out the higher, 3/4" fitting. When the pump shuts off, the entire bucket drains back thru the pump.

>>>Interested in the drawing you made, that is the set up im building atm, want to see someone do that!

I'm doing it. It's a great set up. Looks like a storage closet in the basement. Keep me posted as I would like to see yours.
 
>>>>This is like the BubbleFlow system made by Superponics (who are sponsors) I've been wanting to mess with this style for a while and plan to soon.

I do like those bubbleflow buckets, but this is different. The BubbleFlow is primarily Recirculating DWC. There is only room for about a gallon of media, and then roots are hanging in water, so you will need air in all the buckets. In case of a power outage you would need to power the air pumps with a battery back up. With RDWC, there is more of a chance of pythium. Also, DWC uses more volume of water, so changing out nutrients is more expensive and more trips to the sink.

My ebb and flow buckets are more like true ebb and flow, where you only need to flood a couple times a day. Roots are always in the rockwool.

Don't get me wrong, I love the bubblebuckets and the RDWC concept. I started growing with RDWC and the growth rate is awesome. For me, I wasn't able to keep my water under 70 degrees. I don't know how anyone could, unless you have a chiller. And water changes were a nightmare. Air pumps are loud, airlines need check valves or they back flow when power goes out, too much to go wrong for me :-)

>>>Thanks for sharing, another golden nugget on this great forum
You're welcome, I hope a few people can get some good info from it.
 
Very valid points indeed.

Do you have Grodan cubes in the bottom and hydroton on the top? Looking at the pictures that's what I was guessing, I didn't see you mention if it's all Grodan or not (or perhaps I missed it).

I like this idea, you make very logical points about the setup and the response to RDWC.
 
Very valid points indeed.

Do you have Grodan cubes in the bottom and hydroton on the top? Looking at the pictures that's what I was guessing, I didn't see you mention if it's all Grodan or not (or perhaps I missed it).

I like this idea, you make very logical points about the setup and the response to RDWC.

JJ, I fill only the # nursery pot with the growcubes, then use a thin layer of hydroton on the top, just to keep the rockwool from drying out. Here is abetter picture of the #5 pot in the 5 gallon bucket.

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Ok it's time to harvest!

After 9 weeks, you should look at your trichromes with a jeweler's loop, or a 20-30x magnifying glass. Some people say you can look at the pistols, and if they are mostly brown in color, the plant is ripe. There is a better way.

If your trichromes are clear, it is NOT ready.

(I stole these pictures, as I don't have a good macro):

When trichromes get all milky or white, it is very close to being ready. You could take it at this point, but I would wait a bit longer.

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Most growers prefer to harvest when they see amber trichromes. Every strain is different, but it is known the more amber trichromes there are, the more "couch lock" the high is. You know... when you feel like your body weighs 300 lbs??? I lean toward taking it just when I start to see amber here and there, like this:

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Let's get it out of the grow room, shall we?

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Here are a couple pictures of roots. As we can see, they are really healthy, but very root bound (this is the reason I have been experimenting with even bigger containers). We have 3/8" of roots around the bottom and sides of the bucket, plus all the rock wool is a big root mass. I transplanted to the 3.5 gallon pot a little too early. Overall, we can see how roots explode in the ebb and flow bucket. I believe the beneficial bacteria helps this as well.

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Trim. I won't go into too much detail here because there is SO much info about this already and I'm sure you already have your own method, but here's how I do it.

1. After cutting down plant, cut it up branch by branch, leaving some of the branch / stem on, giving you something to hold it and hang it by. Some people will hang the entire plant up to dry, fan leaves and all, but I prefer to trim now.

2. Pull all large fan leaves off with your hands and throw them away.

3. Cut off any leaf protruding from the colas, and save any trim that has trichromes on it, for making kief or hash. Be sure to cup off all leaf tips. I lean to the side of leaving too much leaf on, where some people practically shave them right down to the bud. It is up to you. Leaves don't taste very good.

4. Hang up branches in a dark area, with a small fan moving air around, but not blowing on buds, as it will make them too dry too fast. If that happens, they will be crispy on the outside and still wet inside, yuk! You will want to set up a carbon filter, sucking air out of your drying area. This will keep fresh air over your buds. If it gets too humid, your buds may get mold.

Should look like this below.

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Pretty!

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I will post one more here in about 10 days, when we get a final weight, to make sure I didn't write a check my growing skilz can't cash ;-) But I think we are slightly above 10oz.
 
Re: How To: 10oz per plant perpetual indoors, NO, make that 20oz

It has been 7 days since harvest drying in the tent as you saw in the picture above. To know when it's dry, I wait until the branches become brittle (fractures when you bend it). If you can bend the branch easily, it is not dry enough. A few days ago, I snuck out about 1/4 of non-premium buds and did a quick dry for a test run.

You will want to cut the bud off the of stems / branches and put them into some kind of container like this, with no lid. Over the next 24 hours, turn them over a few times to distribute any moisture.

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After that, it's time to cure. I separate into netpots, 60-62grams per netpot. 2oz is 56.7 grams, so I add a bit more to make up for what I'll lose in the next week during the cure. I found this is a good way to cure if you have a lot of bud, as jars are too much trouble. I will now take the lid on and off, until I feel like they are cured enough (another 4-5 days or so). Make sure the edges of the bud don't get too dry / crispy. Then they go to giant glass cookie jars.

I know I started this as a "how to grow 10oz". I have been growing this method for several months, and usually the harvest is 8-12oz. This one happened to be exceptional at 20+ oz of NO seed, no stems, just bud. Why did this plant BLOW OUT previous harvests? I have never grown this strain using this method before. I have been growing Nirvana's AK48 using this method. In addition, I am now vegging 9 weeks instead of 6. Vegging longer makes a huge difference. It takes two months to flower? Why not veg for two months?

There are some things you need to learn for yourself; I've only covered 1/2 of the entire process. So I wouldn't expect 20oz. But it goes to show you the power of ebb and flow in rockwool cubes, a good strain, good light, and a lot of love. You should be able to hit 10oz if you follow these basics.

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This will be the last update to this "how to". On my next article, I'm simplifying it even more with Top Feed in a 6 gal superoots Aero-pot. Check it out here.

Thanks for reading, and I hope this helps you, or at least gives you some ideas for your next plant.

Jessie
 
:high-five:Yeah a great idea to dry/cure that I must try. I also have a few of the 62% Humidipacks and could easily make a mount to keep the pac out of the pot.. I have to go give a deposit tomorrow to get some #4 ordered and will see what my friend who is the owner can do me for a huge bag of grodan croutons. If it wasn't for the fact I am already vegin in 1/2 gallon of #4 and am trying to see a difference in 5 gallons compared to the 3 gals I am currently using I'd try to switch and try this next reload. I will take cuts on the 1st and set aside a few just to veg in cubes and get my monster tree type grow on. I would like to be able to grow fewer but larger plants and in the long run get more weight for the same amount. I do have a brand new light mover that has a 4 foot spread and can take up to 50 lbs. I will be throwing around alot of ideas and will make sure to give ya a link to what might end up being my next journal.
Thanks Cap'n and I'll be in touch.
I want to give ya a special THANKS for re-igniting the spark to play, have some fun and learn a hell of a lot.
I will try a cap'n style cube grow also in the 5+ gallon air-pots and a #4 side by side same pheno, same food, same light same love etc... then I will know for sure the pros and cons and how good each plant does in terms of weight, quality and bag appeal.
Let me ask you this Cap'n if I want to be gone for say three days and I pre-mix enough solution to feed them say twice to three times a day for two to three days wouldn't I still want air-diffusers aerating the solution and wouldn't it also be imp. to control the amount of heat in the res.?? what about evaporation and a separate straight water on a float type refill res.??:high-five:
Thanks again Cap, I'd add some reps but it wont let me again so soon.
 
Thanks for stopping in, s1ling. I will be following your thread and interested in the difference in the pot sizes. I've used the sunshine #4 before and liked the fact I can water it more often than regular dirt.

>>>Let me ask you this Cap'n if I want to be gone for say three days and I pre-mix enough solution to feed them say twice to three times a day for two to three days wouldn't I still want air-diffusers aerating the solution and wouldn't it also be imp. to control the amount of heat in the res.?? what about evaporation and a separate straight water on a float type refill res.?

Good questions. There are two ways to do this. You could put your big pot in a trash can and make a flood and drain system out of it. The disadvantage here is it takes a larger volume of water, so you need a pretty good size reservoir. The easier way, as I'm doing in the "simple hydroponics" thread, is to make a little top feed drip ring (I think you said you had one). With top feed, you only need enough water to cover the pump (about 2-3 gallons) so if you have a 15 gallon res and your plant drinks a gallon a day, you could leave for 10 days no problem. But watch out! After 10 days she will have taken over the grow room. Evaporation is negligible if you keep a lid on the res.

As far as water temperature... yes, it is a good idea to keep your water under 75 degrees, but it is not as crucial here, because this is not DWC. When the water comes out of the drip ring it is saturated with oxygen. Plus, growing in rockwool is not as prone to getting root diseases, as it is in aero or DWC. My reservoirs stay around 73 so that is just fine. I have a chiller but I don't run it. Since you are only running the water pump 4x a day, it won't heat up the water, like it does in aero, when you are running it every 6 minutes.

Yes, one thing I forgot to mention in the above thread, is you DO want to keep an air stone in the res. It is not 100% necessary, but it keeps the water from growing any anaerobic bacteria. If you're running any beneficial bacteria like aquashield or mycos, the air stone will keep them alive.
 
Went to our local hydro shop (only one in a 100 miles lol) and priced some grodan cubes. 1 CU FT Bag is 28.95 plus tax but they give a 10% discount which basically pays the tax and a tiny bit of the price. 40 bucks for the 2 CU FT Bag. I think the 1 cu ft bag said it could fill 12 one gallon pots. I am thinking I will get the 40 dollar bag that should be able to fill close to 5 five gallon airpots. So it's a slight bit more than the #4 but that wont stop me from trying my hand at growing a Cap'n STyle Tree :) I am also looking fwd. to how much cleaner my table will be and in-turn the whole room including the plants leaves which get awfully dirty/dusty. My schedule calls for cuts being taken on the 1st. I will try my best to have the stuff I need by July the 15th or a day or two sooner so I can take the rooted cuts out of the cloner and straight into the rockwool cubes or what I call croutons and start vegin them up for a 2 month flowering run starting on or around Sept. 1st. I will make a complete separate journal just for my trial run.
Thanks again Cap
 
are you available for consultation, man your setups own.

I am shifting from soil to Hydro here shortly, and have been reading all of your threads, but its almost too much, each system looks amazing, but I am wondering which would be the easiest to start out with for a 1st time Hydro grower.

I have about 350 sqft of space, and will be looking to utilize it all, I think I want to go with about 12 plants veg 12 flower at same time, and follow your 1lb method, although I am sure I wont even get close to that initially. Thanks for all the info you provide
 
Hey DD. Thanks for the compliment. Even though you are new to hydro, you should be able to pull off 10-12oz per plant no problem. Then, as you get to know your plants, you can push it higher to a lb. When going from dirt to hydro, remember to keep your ppm lower in hydro. You should never need to go above 1000, and I usually stay around 900, 200ppm of that is calmag.

You have a TON of space and I am totally envious. Each plant would use 4 x 4' / about 16sqft of space, plus another 8sqft for you to get to at least one side of it. I would do 600W HPS on top of each plant. That's a lot of juice to flower 12 plants. For a 24 plant setup, you could harvest 6 plants every month, then another 6 go in, and take 6 cuttings every month. Definitely need to veg for at least two months to get the yield. After awhile you should be getting 6lb a month. Not too shabby.

Check the out simple hydroponics thread in my signature, and use method 1. It is the easiest, and cheapest way to go. You could do two plants per res, maybe more if you choose a bigger res. You don't need the air-pots, but use at least a 5 gallon bucket. In that thread, I lay out almost exactly what to do, including all the nutrients I use. Here you go:

Method 1:
This is the simplest and least expensive method, but produces big results. You only need a 185gph water pump, some pvc pipe, some 1/2 hose (don't use clear hose), and a couple 10 gallon totes. The concept is easy, and the picture explains it all. The 10gal tote that the plant sits in, just collects the water and funnels it back to the 10gal tote sitting on the floor.
setupA.jpg


Give me a few mins, and in the next post, I'll post a couple pics of my ace of spades, taken today, two weeks from harvest, using method 1.
 
thanks for the quick reply Capn, I was going to follow your simply Hydro set up, till I started following all your sigs, then I was getting overwhelmed.

why 600 watt? I was planning on going 1000?

I definitely am going to do the 2 mo veg, I have 1 mother from seed, was going to use an ezcloner (thats what I do for soil set up) but it looks like I need to have it in rockwool from the start, so I may just get 1 of those box domes I see.

my plan is to start with 6 veg, and every 2 weeks start 6 more, that way I would be able to have 6 to harvest every 2 weeks, and constantly stagger with 6 shifting in and out every 2 weeks.

my soil grow consisted of well over 60, but was yielding under 2 oz per/plant in sog. This seems so much more efficient and should be about the same amount of work.

my current room is set up for CO2 in the flower room only, do you use co2 in both rooms. Sorry for all the questions

Thanks
DD
 
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