Kenzy
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Hi, What should I do to get more buds? The previous tree gave 35 grams, do you think it's normal?
How can I get more yield from a tree?
How can I get more yield from a tree?
Help please
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Hello @Kenzy Hope you are well my friend.
35 g isn't terrible but not great either.
Light energy and lots of it , main requirement.
Perfect environment mandatory.
Excellent nutrition is also a must.
Genetics can't grow great pot without great genetics.
Master these parameters and you will be pleased.
Stay safe
Bill
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Kenzy
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light 600w hps x 2
That's generally known as a decent light.
So genetics? Try @Weed Seeds Express great genetics.
Environment? Right temp? Rh? Pots? Grow medium?
And nutrients proper food at proper time?
Stay safe
Bill
Her there @Kenzy how long are you vegging for?
Hiya - are you topping/training?
35g from 2 x 600hps is not great - sounds like one cola, whereas 6-8 colas is a better yield with most strains, esp Indicas
I grow small, 5L pots, but still get 2-3oz per plant using 150w TS1000 LED
Might be worth considering?
Nunyabiz
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After getting light, heat, humidity and proper nutrition dialed in, the way to get better yield is longer veg time and more colas per plant.
That can be accomplished by topping or LST.
I find LST to produce more but do one or the other or even a combination of both.
I shoot for 35 colas per plant, don't always get it but thats what I shoot for.
An average of 10gr per bud is very doable, that could give you 12 oz per plant.
Best way to achieve that is LST then SCROG and try to get as even a canopy as possible.
That can be accomplished by topping or LST.
I find LST to produce more but do one or the other or even a combination of both.
I shoot for 35 colas per plant, don't always get it but thats what I shoot for.
An average of 10gr per bud is very doable, that could give you 12 oz per plant.
Best way to achieve that is LST then SCROG and try to get as even a canopy as possible.
Nunyabiz
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OR
You can use a bunch of plants in a SOG set up.
Do like 20 plants in 3g fabric using coco and bottled nutrients and flip to flower at like 2 week veg.
Just get 1 oz or little over per plant but as long as all 20 plants live and produce then you can get good yield.
Usually the quality won't be as good but get a nice yield and less time overall.
More of a PIA to mess with many plants in a tight space but if you prefer bottle feeding then its a way to go.
Main thing is as many colas as possible and close to the same level so they all get proper light levels
You can use a bunch of plants in a SOG set up.
Do like 20 plants in 3g fabric using coco and bottled nutrients and flip to flower at like 2 week veg.
Just get 1 oz or little over per plant but as long as all 20 plants live and produce then you can get good yield.
Usually the quality won't be as good but get a nice yield and less time overall.
More of a PIA to mess with many plants in a tight space but if you prefer bottle feeding then its a way to go.
Main thing is as many colas as possible and close to the same level so they all get proper light levels
pics help.
then give us your set up for nutes / media / environment etc..
somethings way off.
if it was a first throw don't worry. no one knocks it out of the park first bat.
we just want know what you have going and we can help from there.
then give us your set up for nutes / media / environment etc..
somethings way off.
if it was a first throw don't worry. no one knocks it out of the park first bat.
we just want know what you have going and we can help from there.
THAT is the quest, isn't it?
For all of us.
I figure I should get AT LEAST two lb per 1000 watt light.
I would suggest that you start at the beginning. You are asking a question that, in order to answer, we'd have to teach you how to grow ... so, it's a big ask.
There are many good tutorials here to explain how to grow successfully. All of the steps are important.
Start by reading, studying.
Remember that there are MANY paths to Nirvana. Remember also that growers usually have HUGE ego's. We all believe that our methods are the best. Learn from all. Adopt the techniques that work - for you. When you make a change in your grow to 'improve' it, just make ONE change so you can really tell if it worked.
EXAMPLE: If you lower Ph and increase PPM of feed and your garden gets better ... you may not know which one caused the difference. The Ph or the PPM? Just do one at a time.
Get some equipment: Get a PPM pen - not a cheap one. They don't work for long. Spend $100 and get one that is accurate and will last. Same advice for a Ph pen. Then, learn how and WHY to use them.
People think that growing this plant is easy. It's not. It is fun, and challenging and rewarding in many ways ... but not easy.
I been doing this for decades and I learn something new every day.
Enjoy the journey.
EDIT TO SAY: Assemble your 'team'. You need an electrician on speed dial that you can trust to accept your money and forget what he saw. If you live in an area where there are 'grow stores', the advice and knowledge there is indispensable. And, of course, use this forum. Use the search function at the top of the page - odds are you're not the first to have that question.
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Kenzy
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Thank you very much, this article has opened my horizons a little more.
Wanted to add….yields can be vastly different depending on whether you are growing autoflowers or photoperiods. One simple mistake can stunt an autoflower and destroy any hope of a decent yield. Start with great genetics from reputable seed bank and you might want to consider buying both photoperiod and autoflower type seeds (yes buy feminized seeds) until you figure out which version works best given your current garden skills
Ditto on what Auggie said…. study up bcuz there is steep learning curve initially. I used to mistakenly think - add dirt, water, lights plus a seed and I can easily grow metric crap tons of weed. Yeah boy was I ever wrong, but to be fair - it all worked out after many failures and lots of reading here
Ditto on what Auggie said…. study up bcuz there is steep learning curve initially. I used to mistakenly think - add dirt, water, lights plus a seed and I can easily grow metric crap tons of weed. Yeah boy was I ever wrong, but to be fair - it all worked out after many failures and lots of reading here
hard question to answer: one can get addidional admendents (Big Bud, Massive Bloom, ect) to enhance bud size "Tarcontional" is great natural stimulator (kelp, enzymens, humic acid and alfala meal - tea) But one needs
Good genetics - Good lighting and Good medium for bud size - + the knowldge of the cultivator and growing method
Good genetics - Good lighting and Good medium for bud size - + the knowldge of the cultivator and growing method
It's not easy to grow GOOD weed.
It is a skill, a craft, an art that takes a lot of work to learn.
But, the rewards are ten fold.
I know for fact that growing it is as therapeutic as consuming this wonderful gift of a life form.
EDITED TO SAY: Don't grow Auto. Grow Cannabis instead.
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PlanetJ
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Depends where you cut off good. Anybody can buy a bucket, an airstone and pump and a generic proven tri-part, make sure to keep pH and EC as per bottle recommendations and grow a fantastic crop with a 200W lamp in a 2x2.
If you are not trying to be smarter than the bottle recommendations, and keep it all within the same brand and line, you cant mess things up unless you try really hard.
Not saying you cant improve on what you get that way, but calling an average DWC without issues not good weed, is kinda overstating things I would say, and the required skill is next to 0.
True that 'good' is in the eye of the beholder.
But, in my mind's eye ... what you describe above is "ok weed, just barely ok".
I strive for that look one gets on the first hit of dank and "Dayam. This stuff tastes good. Did you grow this?"
And then, when the spliff is passed the second or third time, "No man. I'm good. Gotta drive home in a bit ya know ..."
Following the directions on the bottle sometimes results in overfeeding*, sticking with one product line sometimes results in missing key micro-nutrients and deficiencies.
An artisan grower cares for their plants based on what they need. And they have an uncanny connection to their ladies and can sense their needs.
I may feed at 1000 ppm for two weeks, because they're taking it. But I see signs that they're getting full, and I back off to 700 or so for a couple days.
That's not printed on the bottle.
I'm not nearly as adept at reading bottles as I am reading plants.
* Remember the maker of that bottle juice wants you to use a LOT of it.
PlanetJ
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Thats what I usually get when I give some away, but I'm not about to argue this topic, as there is no data to go by, and we will both swear by our pre-conceived notions in light of that
Just giving a different view on that statement, from a different place with less knowledge
I don't think we disagree, much.
But it's ok if we do.
I learn the most from people I disagree with. The people who agree with me usually teach me nothing.
There is more than one way to do what we do. And many ways to do it well. And that's kind of what I meant. "Go beyond reading the bottle and learn to read the plant."
But, in the end ... if it's good for you, it's all good for me too.
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PlanetJ
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I fully agree on that sentiment, its just that you made it sound very elite and difficult. While I would argue that it takes effort to get in her way and mess things up. Maximizing yield and and flavour is a bit of an art, for sure, but I start calling it good well before that, and reserve excellent, awesome or killer for whatever comes next
Not disputing you can improve over recommendations, but not agreeing either that good only starts there
take this into account "After every grow you learn something new" meaning your next grow is allways better than the last !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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