Help newbie lol my plants stems are going purple?

[kingmayfair]

can any one help here jst noticed this about an hour a go an cant think what it could be my stems have jst started going purple ?? new to this prob why a dont realy know lol put thes 2 pics on s yous can have a look lol thanks if you can help

 

[Smokemupm8]

Hi mate, how are ya?
LET ME EASE YOUR MIND A LITTLE.... IMO, your plants are perfectly normal Most plants Ive grown all start out this way, and it usually will change color a little later as it gains size. If its a big plant and then the stems go from green to purple, it can be a sign of say, cold night temps or such, But from your pcs buddy, your fine.
Dont feed em much nutes at this stage, they only need a good soil mix and some water til its grown its 5th pair of leaves or so and is looking like its stable, then you may LIGHTLY start with some decent organic food which has some low N,P,K in it, most with blood n bone or fish/seaweed extract are fine and available from most gardening stores.
Hope this helps mate. Smokemup

 

[kingmayfair]

thanks for that smokeupm8 thank god it okay aswell lol I have not gave them any nutes yet and it could be cold temps as its in a wardrop with only 2 cfls at the moment it could be a bit chilly for it lol and wen do yous think is the best time to top my plant and should i top my plant ?? cheers

 

[Smokemupm8]

No worries mate...
And yeah well I had my girl in low temps at night before and I was told it can cause probs, but I had no issues - she grew well. Are you doing a 24/0 light schedule? You can keep the CFL's about 2 inch above tops of plant and it wont burn it. I use cfl's and am using one atm for my seedling.. Are you using 6500k CFL's?? Theyre best for vegging with.
And about topping.. Personally, I dont like it. It does give good results when done right, and each person has their own ideas as to when you should top, some top the plant 3 or 4 times!
I prefer to LST mine, I pull the top cola slowly across the pot with twine or wires, and as the top cola slowly gets pulled to one side, all the branches grow vertically and turn into main cola;s too This is the best way I find for big yields, If you look into my first journal you can see how I did her, Ive followed the same methods this time too.
So rather than having the one main cola you can end up with around 14 or so pending on your grow space.
THIS IS IMPORTANT - YOU NEED THE SPACE TO GROW CERTAIN WAYS. How much room do you have to use mate?? I have 4.5ft wide x 8ft high, my last plant was 4.5ft wide and 6'3ft tall with 13 colas Ill show ya a couple of her buds..

So this is what ya can get if done my way!! lol. But it is fairly hands on, as I adjust my branches when in flower to give light to as much of the branches as possible.
But about topping, a few guys I know here will top the plant once it has about 5 or 6 pairs of leaves, there are a few ways to top also, theres a technique called 'FIM' ( fuck I missed ) where you cut the top cola a certain way, and if done right will grow a few tops instead of 2. Whatever you choose, do some reading first buddy.. And HOPE YA HAVE A GOOD GROW!! Take it easy, Smokemup.

 

[kingmayfair]

gdgd as long as it will grow lol it is boxed into a 1ft x 1ft width the now but can be adjusted to about 2ft x 1.5ft width with the high probs could go to about 2ft or 3ft n the lights i have are 2 30watt-117watt 2700k as i cannot find anywere that dose 6500k or close to that been looking every were lights are 2inces away from plants and on 18/6 as wen i had them on 24/0 the dint seem to want to grow lol how meny clfs did you use n what kelvin for those i would also like to keep my plant small but also get good bud from it what would you say was the best way to do so loll (LST) or toppin my plant

 

[Lurch Farmer]

this is my training / triming tek
from

to

 

[Smokemupm8]

Thats a SCROG ( SCReen Of Green ).. And is another method to train your plants.. Its similar to how I do my LST, But I obviously dont use a screen! I just trim the undergrwth as with a Scrog, and focus on the tops that are above the screen.
Now, with a Max. vert height of say -3ft, Id probably be considering flowering the plant when its around 1.5ft in height, as if it doubles height due to stretch in Flowering, youll be outta space in no time! Trust me, youll be lookin at lil tiny flowers one day and then 2 weeks later theyre everywhere and gaining in size..
So thats something to think about in regards to height - So topping or such to keep it smaller would probably be a good idea.. As I grow for bulk yield from a single plant, I need to fill a much bigger space than you, but I imagine you d like a good harvest too tho!
I dont know why you cant find any 6500K CFL's anywhere? It took me a few supermarkets, but I found 'em? Sometimes theyre called warm daylight or somethin like that too. IMO - 2500k's wont do you much justice. As you use the 2500k's for flowering normally - not to say you cant grow something but its results probably wont be what you want!
And I usually only use my 1 - Hi-output CFL, which is equal to about 150w or so I think, and it raises my seedling well enough til theyre big enough for transplant to go under my MH. I have a box type setup that is lined with MYLAR - like tin foil but way more reflective - so it bounces light all around it very well, I do have the holes for an additional 2 globes , 1 either side of the plant, so theres 1 on each side, and the top I have a square piece of cardboard with hole in centre for my light fitting, and the square is cut just small enuf so it can fit inside the box, and then Im able to lower and raise the height of the roof/light as needed..
Also, 24/0 is not essential lighting time IMO, as in nature, we do not have 24hr lighting - well, unless youre in the Arctic or Greenland.. So using 18/6 is enough daylight for the plant, IMO they do need a dark cycle to grow - As is evident by needing 12 hrs of dark to flower, the plants need light,water and some dark too to reach their potential. I try to immitate as close to nature as possible with the
only real thing I supplement is light. And a little food - as most who now me on here will kno I LOVE SEASOL ( seaweed extract ). I like to make a good soil mix too, as this plays a good part in your plants growth. I use a 100% organic HUMUS SOIL - its a great soil and has
an active N,P,K base in it as it breaks down, and is full of good microbes for the plants in it,nd such for the roots, I use about 70% Humus, 20% Premium potting mix thats not pinebark, and usually a little Pea straw mulch for Aeration - I use a fairly fine mulch in comparison to most.
To this Ill sprinkle a little Dolomite Cal/mag and mix it thru, then some slow release ferts just to ensure therell be some nutes in the soil over time due to watering and such.
I find a good soil mix is one of the key factors in growing a healthy,deficient free plant.. And as most of my mates here know - I LOVE MY SEASOL ( seaweed extract ) PLANTS LOVE IT TOO.. Lotsa good food stuffs in there for your green girl. And as I said before try to keep your soils PH at about 6.0 or higher, to 7.0 I believe is about as high as youd like to go.
So mate, I hope you can locate some better CFL's, try look for warm daylight they should be 6500k's, or even Cool whites are usually 4100k's, So if you can get the 4100k's - try to get 3 lights in there, or better yet, you should be able to get these - get some TWIN SOCKET LIGHT EXTENSIONS. That will turn each light socket into a twin light socket housing 2 globes, so 2 of them and youll have 4 CFL's in there, that will be ample and shouldnt give off too much heat as long as you do have circulating air in there.
Ive used these, and ALOT of CFL growers on here do also use the twin sockets, they took me a while to locate, I had to go to another hardware store to get em but I GOT EM!!
WELL THIS IS ABOUT AS MUCH AS YOU SHOULD NEED I RECKN MATE But if you still got a quesion HIT ME WITH IT!
Hope it helped ya alittle anyways Be cool.. Smokemup

 

[kingmayfair]

thank again for the help i will top my plants an use lst if need be to keep away from light if it streches as for the lights i have tryed the 2 diy stores about were a stay (BandQ=maplin) i stay in the uk and dont no if this is why i cant find them the only ones av seen are the 2700k any ideas on were i could get them dont want to order offline if i do get 6500k bulbs or should a say wen lol should i jst add the new light to the ones ave got in ther or change them to daylight bulbs in the scrog method how do you go about trimming them do you take all potenail grow ares off the plant that is no through the screen or jst strip the fan leaves off it and or how do you get it to grow only on the screen and not under it could you try to get a good detailed desrption of this as i cant seem to find a lot about how to get it to stay above the sreen and what to do with the underneth of the sreen

 

[Smokemupm8]

What about your local Supermarkets?? This is where ive found some 6500k CFL's?? IDK why it be so hard to bloody find any!
And about your Q, yeah change em all to 6500 k's, or if you do the twin socket way, maybe 3 - 6500k's and 1 2500k.. Just to have some diferent Spectrums. But its upto you, Id just go with the 6500's.
In regards to SCROG, I havent done one yet, But the method is like LST I use, you pull the main cola across, so the plant sends the other branches up as New Main cola's, then as they grow, you have to tuck the tops of the branches under the screen again and let em grow out again, then tuck it again.. Do this until the branches are positiond so the bud shoots can grow up and thru the spaces in the screen. Once its into flowering, or when its Vegged enuf, you can start to remove some smaller shoots that are under the screen.
There are a lot of guys on here who use SCROG s to great effect!!
HOZONA is one of them, have a look for his Journal - he uses a DIY SCREEN made of PVC pipe - VERY CLEVER CHAP That way its adjustable.. He is starting a grow at the moment where you can see how his screen is done and the plant setup.
HOP IT HELPS YA MATE!! Later buddy, Smokemup

 

[kingmayfair]

ano i was the same about the bulbs why is it so hard to get them lol ive tryed tescos and asda need to go bk to asda to change a light got the wrong fittin lol will take another look to see if a can find any would a building merchents have them?? that info on the scrog is better than most ive read n it about 2 lines lmao being a pain here jst dont want to fuk ma baby up lol would it be better to use the 2500k while flowering or still use the 6500k seen that somewhere whats best think al jst go with it the way it is the now and try the scrog next time as a llt of people like that method and look like you get a lot of bud from that way lol

 

[Lurch Farmer]

When All I used was cfl I always had to find online. A few of our sponsors have what you lookin for.
As to my scrog style, I tuck every thing under the screen to shape. In sted of string and wires.
This run I messed up got really twisted before my first trim and twist . these ladies have a few topped limbs, lots of supper crop breaks. my other grow (The Rack) is 5 days away from trim. Trained from day 1 for this. When the scog is harvested (15-20days) the rack will be centered to the room and both lights placed over it till harvest.

 

[Smokemupm8]

No probs mate...
Well in flower youre best to use the 2500k's.. Or as Ive said, if you end up getting twin sockets - maybe use 3, 2500k's and 1 - 6500k. But mostly 2500's are flowering..
Soz to hear you having drama s finding 6500's, you should find 4100's easy enuf? Theyre not as bright as 6500's but will obviously give more light.
Now about the SCROG - did you go to Journals and have a look for HOZONA's one?? He s got it goin atm so be handy for ya to make an aquaintance there I rekn
Ill show you some pics of my last grow, which I was meant ot replicate this time, but I didnt veg it as long so she s way smaller Ill show ya how I set her out and how her branches formes then - BUDS!!!

This is when I started her training..

Her base got thick

FLOWER TIME

This is trying to show her size, most of them big stacks were all over 1.5ft long and 4 were 2ft.. Hope you can see how she s been set out and reacted, then formed her new MAIN BRANCHES ( she had 14 )
So this is my adaptation of LST to suit my space, as with yourself, you need to work within what you have, so not going overboard is the key as they can get big quick!! Theres a few LST-How to, guides here - But I worked mine a little different causing it to grow how I wanted so having a rough idea as to what youre planning is good.
I know it may seem a little full on, but really both methods, Scrog/Lst are the most basic ways to train a plant, then you get into FIM,Super cropping, monster cropping, all sorts of stuff, But the results are not guaranteed everytime, espec. with FIM technique as you are at the mercy of how the plant reacts as to whether it grows 2 replacement tops or the 4 theyre aiming for, or kill it accidentally in the process. Ive topped before with good results, but I dont like be-heading my girls
GOODLUK ON THE CFL's Buddy... You should find them named as 'warm daylight' or maybe even if they just have a wattage on them, try to get above 20 w Cfl's, as I use a 30w Hi-output CFL ( the 30w says it equates to a normal 150w globe ) So its bright enough to Veg fine with, just like a 6500k. But yeah maybe try just looking at the wattage on the globe? 20 and above will get ou started ok.
Do you have any second hand dealers near you - Like CASH CONVERTERS or such, which buys and sells stuff. Ive found MH/HPS ballasts and light sockets and reflectors and theyre usually cheap, but youll need more space than 2 ft!!
Later mate.... Smokemup

 

[Stoma]

Usually when stems start to turn purplish its related to a P def regardless of the age of the plant. This is a early warning sign that your baby is sending you, usually a nutrient lockout and it should not be taken lightly, left untreated it may ruin your grow and nobody wants that. If you don't mind me asking what is your soils ph level?

 

[kingmayfair]

tbh i couldnt tell you the ph of the soil as i dont have a thing to test it

 

[kingmayfair]

and they are some nice buds man

 

[Smokemupm8]

Thanksmate

 

[Smokemupm8]

Not in all cases is purpling bad.. I have raised many young plants in 100% organic soils with active N,P,K and also with Cal/.mag spread thru and some slow release ferts. I never have any problems, its not due to cold, just some strains start out this way, Ive seen it over 20 times at least and some grow out of it, some turn out to be purple strains!!
My current seedling has nice healthy purp stems and is in PH of 6.8, same as my big one, and she looks great!!!