GreatLife4All RDWC WW 1000W Grow

1) use hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) instead of bleach in your system to disinfect and flush out the bad bacteria and dead mater waste.
2) some people use mycorrhizae to inoculate their root systems and plants and grow healthier plants.
3) some people use hygrozyme enzymes in their reservoirs and systems to keep systems free of dead mater and waste. i use microbe-lift sludge away enzyme pond product for the same reason.

here are two videos on mycorrhizae

https://www.youtube.com Green Gro Beneficial Mycorrhizae Green Grow Plant Organic Hydroponics

https://www.youtube.com Mycorrhizal Inoculant - Fungi You Want In Your Organic Garden

here is a small video on hygrozyme

https://www.youtube.com Hygrozyme Organic Hydroponic Solutions
 
I assume that the guy in the second video is talking about something like this:

Amazon: Plant Success Great White Premium Mycorrhizae - 4 Ounce

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Or something more like this:

Amazon: RTI Xtreme Gardening 2202 Mykos Wettable Powder, 12-Ounce

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And the sludge away seems like a great product for other uses in my life as well.

I have some ponds that could use this type of treatment.

Nice links, thank you.
 
On the 2nd RDWC System.

From my research, there were several types of fungus' that would produce those conditions - and none of them are good.

So... I drained everything out, ran to the hydro store to purchase R/O water, refilled, treated with H2O2, drained, refilled, treated with H2O2, drained... refilled and now the smell is gone. The plants aren't doing too well at all. They started this treatment with brownish roots - but they are back to white now.

First time in months that I have no R/O water in my house.

I put in a light load of nutrients - right around 900. No additives at all. I was thinking about slipping in a little Cal-Mag as my base is rather light for where these plants are. But I will probably now wait and see what happens.

The R/O water reservoir has now been cleaned and is refilling. I will start doing some kind of maintenance on this - but I haven't thought that far ahead yet. The H2O2 certainly cleaned everything up quickly.

I didn't feel like messing with the clone box - they are doing poorly as well. Two more are dead. But I just might have saved the plants in my RDWC. Even if I had wanted to, i don't have any water right now. It will take a little while to refill.

My first infestation ever. I shouldn't have ignored that small smell that I noticed last night in the RDWC when I was checking status. By today, things were out of control. That system had been acting funny for several days as well. PPMs increasing and pH decreasing - the opposite of what I would call normal. By my way of thinking, this means the plants had stopped eating.

My PPMs stay even and my pH either falls or stays even. I had just noticed the trend rather than thinking about it as an anomaly.

Still not sure how it started - which is bothersome. Definitely started in the large reservoir - as that was the most advanced case.

Lot's of good karma to KingJohnC for helping me out. Exactly correct advice.

Live and learn!
 
At least this project is going well.

I made my first attempt at bending a plant when it is young about three days ago. There is a picture posted in Mono's thread and in my gallery.

This is an update. I took them out to check on them today.

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I decided to give it another try - this time with a plan. Here is the result on a different SSH plant - this is day 2.

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I decided to clean this one up - so here it the picture after I removed fan leaves and tightened it down so that the stem is now touching the container.

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Re: Emergency SCROG

Happy 420 day all!!

Hi GreatLife! The support looks terrific - As does the plant. You have quite a green thumb!

I am going to move the indica away from her again. My light hangs 6.5 ft off the ground (80" tent, the light is supported by a structure above the tent, and pulled as high as the tent will allow) and the buckets are 14" tall. I bent the top over last night - otherwise she was touching the light again. By my calculations, she is over 4 ft tall.

So I now have nearly a 4x4x4 ball of LOJ. 90% of which is now within 26" of a 1,000W HPS. I didn't deserve to come out this well.
 
Sorry to learn about your troubles with the water. It appears you found the issue quickly - I have no doubt that the plants will recover - they are quite resilient. Big props to the quick assistance from the experts around here! One more reason I like this community so much.
 
I am very thankful. It would have taken a lot more research for me to find a solution - and I doubt I would have trusted putting H2O2 into my system. I was definitely in over my head.

Left to my own devices, i would have pitched them all and started over.

The water still smells OK after several hours. I can't check on the plants till lights on.

Clones look terrible - I can't work on them today as I have other commitments. Hopefully a couple will live till later when I can tend them.

And I will admit this... things change quickly in that RDWC system. That can be both good and bad.
 
Can you expand your description of your recirculating system such as pump sizes and possibly where you got your buckets and fittings ??

I have a spreadsheet somewhere with the list of equipment. I can go through this and pick out which pieces I used. The two systems are very different in construction - and the second one is much easier to handle. But the pumps are identical. I can say this, after seeing the results from my first grow... I am glad that I picked the micro-pore airstones - they were the single most expensive piece of equipment. I spent $30 for something that can be functionally replaced for $6 at my local aquarium store. They clog easier - but the plant growth is much better. I think the small bubbles are more gentle on the roots - and that matters after several months.

I will have to recreate my justification for the size of pumps, air stones, and etc. but that won't be too bad.
 
Re: Emergency SCROG

Happy 420 day all!!

Hi GreatLife! The support looks terrific - As does the plant. You have quite a green thumb!

Thank you.

I have been looking at lots of pictures on this site to help determine what I should do. I have been working on her every day. She looks quite different now. After I got the bulk of her tied down - the fan leaves were going every which way. So I took them all off. I retied her last night, re-distributing the budding sites to take advantage of the light. I am slowly developing an even layer of buds on top.

I am done working on her now, she is a little yellow and looks ragged... but I have no doubt that she will be OK and will continue to bud profusely. She still has 5 weeks on her schedule - and that is a long time in a plants life.
 
Also i am diggin the plant that you are growing in stones, will be interesting to see how it grows and builds its roots system around the rocks

I took all the plants out of that system yesterday for cleaning.

I have to admit that after just two weeks, the grow stones have produced far superior roots. If I can find someone to hold the plants for me, i will take pictures tonight.

And the plants are much more stable.

And they don't discolor my nutrient solution and containers.

And they are made from recycled glass rather than taken from a strip mine.

I think that I am hooked on them - so I won't be using Hydroton next time.
 
i am glad you have corrected your problems now. in the future if you notice any odd smell in your reservoir or slime on the roots that is one of the first cue's that something is amiss, treat with hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) to sterilize the system.
 
i am glad you have corrected your problems now. in the future if you notice any odd smell in your reservoir or slime on the roots that is one of the first cue's that something is amiss, treat with hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) to sterilize the system.

Believe me my friend... I will never forget that smell.

And I now have H2O2 and a good idea on how to use it. This won't be a problem again.
 
Good job on the LST, i notice tying them down maximizes the amount of light going to the inner nodes and makes them flower as if they were all main top colas.

I am just starting to play with it and I am anxiously watching things develop.

I have now tied down the LOJ, WW, and SSH. The SSH and WW are very plastic and readily bent right into the new, expected shape. Unless I miss my guess on how things are developing, I will now end up with 9 shoots each competing to be king cola.

I tried bending right before the dark period, right after the dark period, and during the middle of the day. There is no doubt the plants responded best when I did it at the very beginning of their day - this is a very small sample size, but the difference was notable.

I tried bending the LOJ. She was resistant at first. I did her the same day that I did the 2nd SSH in my journal. Her head was down for two days. The fan leaves were bending back towards the light. But that made her less than attractive... Unless I counted wrong, she has 11 shoots all competing for top spot now - and they are all about 1 - 2" long right now. I took away all the fan leaves and just have a bundle of shoots now with immature fans on them.

It is really cool how the shoots start out headed towards the ground and just bend right back around.

After doing this and building my emergency scrog - and tieing that giant plant down... I can now see the path to generating very large plants from a small core. Very useful in states where the law is based on number of plants like mine. These plants are five weeks old. Given another month or two of veg i can see how they would easily cover a screen.

And I did buy PVC because I thought I needed it for the LOJ...

And I have five weeks before that LOJ is done and the tent is free...

And I am now comfortable with defoliation...

A plan is starting to form.
 
RDWC Parts List

Ok...

Here is a list of parts and potential suppliers for the RDWC.

There are 4 main parts to the system: buckets, pvc, uniseals, and equipment.

Buckets
I wasn't really sure what size buckets to get - for these types of systems you can find everything from 1 gallon to 10 gallon buckets. My design goal was to easily fit into a 6' tent. I also had a plan to raise 8 in veg and then flower 4 - picking the best ones to continue. So I wanted eight buckets in a 4x4 tent. So the biggest buckets that will fit into a 4x4x6 tent are 4 gallons. Square buckets works much better with the uniseals and for fitting into the tent. So I went with square, 4 gallon plastic pails. I would have preferred food grade, but I would not have been able to get black. I went with black and gave up on food grade.

These buckets are available from this supplier:

Affordable Buckets - 4 gallon square pail and lid

This company shows a very expensive shipping price on his web site. I called him to ask some questions and by the end of the conversation he offered free shipping on the buckets - a large savings over the price listed on the web site. So if you are interested, call them up and bullshit with them - they seem to be a good guys. They may even offer you the same deal.

I would order twice the number of buckets you think you are going to need. I screwed one up in the build - and you need some to store plants in while doing maintenance.

Uniseals
In my mind, the next most important item are the bulkheads. You can buy bulkheads at Lowes, etc - if you restrict yourself to 1.5". But they are very expensive (I think around $15 locally). I believe that these would work better and install easier than the uniseals... but honestly I have never had a leak installing the uniseals.

2" Uniseals are mostly used, it seems, by large salt water aquariums. And there are hundreds of places online that sell this type of equipment - very popular it seems in Florida here in the US.

PVC
All of my PVC comes from my local Lowes. The major issue I was thinking about was size on this one. Your goal is to push X amount of water around the system every hour. But the plants don't like a strong flow. So there is a balance here. Most of the commercial systems use 2" piping and it is available and still relatively cheap locally. So that is what I used. For the 8 bucket system, it took less than 15 feet.

You will also need fittings to put together the system. Most of these systems just sell you a length of pipe which has been rounded on both ends. They are so hard to push into the uniseals that I destroyed a bucket and two uniseals before I decided that sucked and gave up. They do have this teflon stuff that is both an initial "grease" and then a sealant. But then I tended to push the damn things in way to far - they would resist until they gave, and then slide a long way before I could back off the pressure. Now we were pulling the pipe back out of the damn bucket and trying to get it exactly x" apart. Not fun in my book.

So I found these 2" fittings that are designed for drainage systems - they have a male and female connector. The female end is designed to connect to a 2" pipe and is 3/4" long - exactly perfect for the Uniseal. When you grease these up with the magic lube, they slide till they hit the collar and are then exactly right for a very tight seal. Each of these fittings were $1.50 at Lowes and you need 4 of them for each two buckets that you connect. So Bucket->Uniseal->Female Adaptor->Male Adaptor->PVC Pipe->Male Adaptor->Female Adaptor->Uniseal->Bucket. So I build however many of these PVC pieces I need, install one end in the uniseal, and then push the other bucket onto the other end. Very easy. You will need to use PVC Pipe Thread on the male / female connection.

On the last connection in the chain - where I hook up a 1" inline pump - I use a different type of connection. This is a Bushing or Adaptor - can't remember which it is called - but it is designed to be connected to a 2" PVC pipe and has a reduction down to a 1" threaded pipe. Using the same technique as before, this slides right into the uniseal. I attach a barbed hose fitting to this... one inch suction hose... and connect to my pump.

I also put in 2" Solvent Unions - available from Lowes. These allow me to break apart the system for cleaning and moving around. Very handy for installation into a tent. But they are optional, you can do it without them.

Everything else is just PVC Corners, Tees, and ordinary connections - all available at Lowes. You can see all of them in my Photo Gallery.

Equipment
This is where it gets expensive. You need a very good, reliable water pump. You need very good, reliable air pumps, I am torn on appropriate airstones - but you need one per bucket,

For the water pump...
Most of the commercial systems I have seen target 7 turns per hour. What does this mean? They want to move all of the liquid in the system around 7 times. So if you are using 9 four gallon buckets and various connections - you will end up right at 34 gallons if the level is filled right below a 6" net pot.

This implies that in my system I need to move 7 x 34 gallons of water every hour. So I need a pump that moves at least 240 GPH.

Some people say that you need as much as 20 turns per hour. If I do this math, then I have 20 x 34 = 600 gph.

I also wanted to veg in this system - and to touch the bottom of a smaller 3" net pot I needed 40 gallons. So in this scenario, my system needs to be able to handle 20 x 40 = 800 GPH. That is starting to get to be a big pump.

So I settled on a 600gph pump - a little too much for my normal needs, and not enough if I am vegging. This is also why I stuck with 2" PVC - you can barely see the water moving, even at this kind of turn rate.

I have to admit that this pump is quiet and draws very little power for the amount of water that it moves. However, the same fitting on both pumps cracked, flooded my basement (an exaggeration, but I cleaned up a lot of water), and had to be replaced. The first one... I can take the blame on. The second one I treated like a marshmallow and it still broke in the same way while testing the system.

I fixed them both with PVC glue I had lying around and got new ones from the manufacturer. I won't reinstall the new ones because they are identical to the ones that I fixed. Aquavita needs to fix this.

Air Pumps and Airstones
Air pumps were a relatively easy decision. I needed 8 air stones. I was going to purchase the round aquarium stones that i always use... but was talked into purchasing a couple of the micro-pore design ones. After testing, the micro pore require more maintenance, and seem better for the plants. You can easily save money and go with the normal round aquarium airstones at PetSmart - I needed 6" for the buckets and they cost less than $15 each. I even found some cheaper ones online for under $10. The micro-pore design are $30.

Your decision on this one. For my second system, I went with the micro-pore design and I am very happy with them.

Which leaves just the airpump. You need a good airpump. The Dual Diaphragm Air Pump from GH will provide enough umph for all 8 aquarium stones.

However, if you want to drive the micro-pore design stones - you need more than this. I also wanted a small insurance policy in case an air pump quit. So I bought two of these pumps, each of which drives four air stones. I have so much air in my water that it "pops" when it enters the reservoir. I can turn one off - and the system still functions correctly.

I think that is everything important - if I have missed something, or someone has a better supplier - feel free to jump in here.
 
Thanks Great Life you have been very helpful I am going to do a four bucket system with a controller bucket and a 30 gal reservoir after my next grow

I think that would be a wonderful system.

Depending on how close you want the buckets to each other - you should be able to fit this into a 2' x 3' space. And if you want fewer plants in a 4x4 tent - you could expand it out to fill the space easily.

You will have a lot less water - so you won't need as big a water pump either.

For a small system like this, I would probably even recommend the micro-pore airstones. $140 seems so much easier to swallow than the $280 that I paid. Which seems like a silly statement by me since they actually cost the same...

If you need any help when you get started - let me know. I have built two now and don't mind questions. The second one was far better than the first - maybe we can build something even better for you.
 
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