Gaffles Perpetual Probiotic Wellness Garden

Gaffle

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1 male and 5 hermies out of own stock. One plant retained female attributes, no balls and less developed. Took 4 clones from female, cut the rest. Watered EB with 1 ½ gal h2o 2oz em1.





New plan, lower light until adverse effects shown. Raise extension cord and power strip.





Above was notes I made when I got home from vacation and found 1 possible female with no pollen sacs, 4 hermies and 1 male, just before the trip I already cut a male. Holy moly I've had the boys as of lately.





Back in the summer I had 2 plants going. One was a Skunk Diesel (Genetics: NYC_Diesel x Skunk from GYO seedbank), the other was Afghani regular (Herbie's free seed, unknown lineage). Well, the Afghani was a boy. My other tent wasn't going yet so I made an executive decision to pollinate my SD female. The SD was in a 15gal pot, and boy did I get the seeds. She was large with terrible seedy colas and sub par smoke, but the plant wasn't the same as a feminized seed, couldn't wait to grow it out.





Now in April I went to a soil seminar at my local green house. The first speaker was Randy, co-owner of Malibu Compost. He had great notes, I intend of uploading, and a story all about making healthy soil. We don't care about plant health, we care about soil health. Happier soil equals happier plants, it also equals higher brix levels. The 2nd seminar was led by Eric Lancaster from Teraganix. Teraganix is a company based out of Texas that has the rights to produce EM1 in the USA. EM1 is a microbial soup that eats the minerals in your soil making a special nutrient dense substrate. My wheels were turning.





So, I finally have a seed stock, but I am out of plants. Persevere! I planted 16 seeds, 14 made it to maturity. I did have some other seeds going for a minute, from a local grower, and they all ended up male. In a panic due to timing being fubared, I planted 4 seedlings in two 5gal pots and 4 seedlings in the EB(EarthBox). From here we end up at the notes from the beginning, full circle! My girl in flower has been doing very well since early September. She was very hardy and her clones all took. I did not amend her soil properly so some fade is happening, I see purples, very excited.



Some early shots and today.































Recap, I'm sorry for the length, my flower girl is the same age as my 1 gal tent girls. Out of 16 seedlings, 4 remained in the veg tent. Each of these plants are the same age as my flower, all popped the same time. I rushed through 12/12 seedlings specifically for this precise moment. I needed stock, of which I first made seeds, and then I was lucky enough to get a stable female out of chaos, and to sweeten the deal her clones all took off. One looked like shyte but came back to health. Here is a pick of all the plants. Every large plant is the same age as the female in the EB.


















Today my wife and I cut down 2 more males that popped up in veg tent. We transplanted the larger female into the non-mineralized EB. She was cloned and defoiled. The 2nd female was also cloned and defoiled, but she was put in the box with the flowering female. I then transplanted my old clones to the 1gal pots. My perpetual machine is going strong. Now I can take clones and pop seeds for nice intervals. I have a Amherst Sour Diesel that I may pop just for clones, dunno. Ok, howz about some explanations?





I am using Earth Boxes for my containers. Each EB is a Sub Irigated Planter. These boxes have a screen that sits above a reservoir that holds about 3 gals of H2O. There is the watering tube that goes straight down to the reservoir. We are not watering from the top, only from the bottom.





My growing medium is peat moss, about 1 cubic foot to be exact. We have 2 larger holes in the screen, these holes make up the water column of our EB. I make sure to press/punch down the peat at the water column hole. If this part of the box is not running right you will have a problem. If moisture is not pulled from your base it will be pulled from your newly transplanted root ball, happened to me (slightly) and I didn't like it.





Ok, box is now filled up with peat, I poured water at each column location several times and I continued to press the peat as the box filled up. This box is being run with no minerals. I spoke with Eric about brix levels using this system and he said brix should go up as I use my normal amending products (more in a few). So, he asked if I would do a side by side grow of mineralized substrate vs non-mineralized substrate. This box has my larger female, she will be solo. It's a fresh install so after I transplanted I added about a gallon of water at the base of my girl (very important for water column success). Next, I added 1 cup of Gro-Kashi to the top of peat. Now I lay some Malibu Bu’s Blend compost. Cover and done.










































































Next box already has had dolomite so I chose to keep it the mineralized version. Only difference was scratching in the dolomite into the top inch or two. I moved it all fast but I could have waited for the Gro-Kashi to sprout before adding the Bu Blend. Boom done. Because this box is already running all i had to do was plop in the plant. Water columns are working, which means running perpetual is a breeze. Pull out base of 1gal root ball and add it back to the soil bin, plop in scored root ball and done. My flowering female drank 1.5gals a week. Different sizes and amounts now so watering will be off. Excitement awaits!























At this rate I'll have a harvest every 2 months(ish). My flower area will be turned off for a week for drying. Once drying is done, curing is now happening, I'll pull out the 4 clones and flower them. Not bad for a space the size of Harry Potters 1st room.

Ran out of photo space, guess I get me own first spot.
 
This system is a probiotic due to the happy microbes that team up in the EM1 soup, Gro-Kashi, and Bu’s Blend. All of these products could get in your mouth and you wouldn't die. All GMO free, pesticide free. Would I rate this method as the best for growing? Fuck no. That's too hard to do, there's a lot of “best” out there these days. I'll say this, it's laughingly easy. I've done so little and what I'm seeing is impressive. Join me for more future fun!

Some before and after pictures of my veg tent, and a bit of purple popping on the flower girl. I didn't amend the soil right, I knew I was going to add another plant to timing was in the way. It all worked out but a fade is happening. Lets see what happens in a few days.














 

Neiko, just sit and chill brother. I'll have plenty of eye candy.

Hey Gaffle! I'll pull up a chair and watch. Interesting set up/approach. why not have the white side up on the earth box covers so they reflect some light?

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Ween, hello my friend. Your killing it BTW, as is Neiko.

As to the cover, yes I could use the white side. Directions are to use white if temps are higher and use black for when temps are lower, trying to keep microbe heat optimal. In retrospect I will use the white sides when these plants are done. As of right now I don't go under 75 at night and under 90 during the day. I will add some homemade CO2 eventually.
 
After 24+ hours we have 7 viable clones and one possible faller. Lights out in flower room so I'll take pictures tomorrow. My flower girl is having issues standing up. Nugs are dense and full, smells very fresh, and not overpowering. I suck at wet weight, there will be 1oz fer sher, hopefully more. Fair amount of fading, but tricomes aren't changing much, mostly clear with very little milky and no amber.

I've been without my own smoke since Aug. I am overdue for some homemade medicine, jonesin.
 
This morning, everything is groovy. Some of the clones a drooping, but I'm not worried. One was dropped on accident and it might be toast. Smooth rolling.














 
1 male and 5 hermies out of own stock. One plant retained female attributes, no balls and less developed. Took 4 clones from female, cut the rest. Watered EB with 1 ½ gal h2o 2oz em1.





New plan, lower light until adverse effects shown. Raise extension cord and power strip.





Above was notes I made when I got home from vacation and found 1 possible female with no pollen sacs, 4 hermies and 1 male, just before the trip I already cut a male. Holy moly I've had the boys as of lately.





Back in the summer I had 2 plants going. One was a Skunk Diesel (Genetics: NYC_Diesel x Skunk from GYO seedbank), the other was Afghani regular (Herbie's free seed, unknown lineage). Well, the Afghani was a boy. My other tent wasn't going yet so I made an executive decision to pollinate my SD female. The SD was in a 15gal pot, and boy did I get the seeds. She was large with terrible seedy colas and sub par smoke, but the plant wasn't the same as a feminized seed, couldn't wait to grow it out.





Now in April I went to a soil seminar at my local green house. The first speaker was Randy, co-owner of Malibu Compost. He had great notes, I intend of uploading, and a story all about making healthy soil. We don't care about plant health, we care about soil health. Happier soil equals happier plants, it also equals higher brix levels. The 2nd seminar was led by Eric Lancaster from Teraganix. Teraganix is a company based out of Texas that has the rights to produce EM1 in the USA. EM1 is a microbial soup that eats the minerals in your soil making a special nutrient dense substrate. My wheels were turning.





So, I finally have a seed stock, but I am out of plants. Persevere! I planted 16 seeds, 14 made it to maturity. I did have some other seeds going for a minute, from a local grower, and they all ended up male. In a panic due to timing being fubared, I planted 4 seedlings in two 5gal pots and 4 seedlings in the EB(EarthBox). From here we end up at the notes from the beginning, full circle! My girl in flower has been doing very well since early September. She was very hardy and her clones all took. I did not amend her soil properly so some fade is happening, I see purples, very excited.



Some early shots and today.































Recap, I'm sorry for the length, my flower girl is the same age as my 1 gal tent girls. Out of 16 seedlings, 4 remained in the veg tent. Each of these plants are the same age as my flower, all popped the same time. I rushed through 12/12 seedlings specifically for this precise moment. I needed stock, of which I first made seeds, and then I was lucky enough to get a stable female out of chaos, and to sweeten the deal her clones all took off. One looked like shyte but came back to health. Here is a pick of all the plants. Every large plant is the same age as the female in the EB.


















Today my wife and I cut down 2 more males that popped up in veg tent. We transplanted the larger female into the non-mineralized EB. She was cloned and defoiled. The 2nd female was also cloned and defoiled, but she was put in the box with the flowering female. I then transplanted my old clones to the 1gal pots. My perpetual machine is going strong. Now I can take clones and pop seeds for nice intervals. I have a Amherst Sour Diesel that I may pop just for clones, dunno. Ok, howz about some explanations?





I am using Earth Boxes for my containers. Each EB is a Sub Irigated Planter. These boxes have a screen that sits above a reservoir that holds about 3 gals of H2O. There is the watering tube that goes straight down to the reservoir. We are not watering from the top, only from the bottom.





My growing medium is peat moss, about 1 cubic foot to be exact. We have 2 larger holes in the screen, these holes make up the water column of our EB. I make sure to press/punch down the peat at the water column hole. If this part of the box is not running right you will have a problem. If moisture is not pulled from your base it will be pulled from your newly transplanted root ball, happened to me (slightly) and I didn't like it.





Ok, box is now filled up with peat, I poured water at each column location several times and I continued to press the peat as the box filled up. This box is being run with no minerals. I spoke with Eric about brix levels using this system and he said brix should go up as I use my normal amending products (more in a few). So, he asked if I would do a side by side grow of mineralized substrate vs non-mineralized substrate. This box has my larger female, she will be solo. It's a fresh install so after I transplanted I added about a gallon of water at the base of my girl (very important for water column success). Next, I added 1 cup of Gro-Kashi to the top of peat. Now I lay some Malibu Bu’s Blend compost. Cover and done.










































































Next box already has had dolomite so I chose to keep it the mineralized version. Only difference was scratching in the dolomite into the top inch or two. I moved it all fast but I could have waited for the Gro-Kashi to sprout before adding the Bu Blend. Boom done. Because this box is already running all i had to do was plop in the plant. Water columns are working, which means running perpetual is a breeze. Pull out base of 1gal root ball and add it back to the soil bin, plop in scored root ball and done. My flowering female drank 1.5gals a week. Different sizes and amounts now so watering will be off. Excitement awaits!























At this rate I'll have a harvest every 2 months(ish). My flower area will be turned off for a week for drying. Once drying is done, curing is now happening, I'll pull out the 4 clones and flower them. Not bad for a space the size of Harry Potters 1st room.

Ran out of photo space, guess I get me own first spot.
Hi Nice to see you here. A friend uses earth box technology for vegetable gardening with super results. First I've seen it here. I think you're onto something. Have you grown cannabis in them before?
 
Hi Nice to see you here. A friend uses earth box technology for vegetable gardening with super results. First I've seen it here. I think you're onto something. Have you grown cannabis in them before?

Hello Stone, thx for stopping by! My unnamed girl in flower is my first plant to finish in a EB. After listening and reading about this method I had no worries during this flower session. I had no yellow leaves, no burnt tips, no crazy curling, no leaf tacoing, nothing yucky. It was green and shiney the whole grow. Only issues now was the compost top was about spent, which is part of the reason my flower girl is fading. She has been flowering for just over a month. From here on all I have to do is amend the soil. Now that I have seed/clone stock dialing it in will be easy. The Gro-Kashi is full of mycelium. My next set of boxes will start different. I could have transplanted the girls, done the amending, and then cover without adding compost. After a week I'll have a mycelium bed with which you add the compost, starts it faster. This was fast, I didn't want to wait. Once these flower out I'll do a different approach.
 
Garden looks wonderful too Gaffle and I checked out your quiet inline fan box rig. Also sweet. I'm working an idea to get my fan and filter out of the tent and still filter from the outside of the filter in, as if it were in the tent. Most likely making a box for it, that's a future action though.
 
Thx Otter! That box saved my indoor grow. Inline was so damn loud when it was first plugged in, no way I could have stealth.

Out of all of my weed reading I've never come across light stress due to a change in start times. This is something I did not anticipate. I might perform a reset this weekend. To do this I would leave my flower girls in the dark for 24hrs and then restart at my normal time. This entire process is experimental for myself. So hard to be told what may or may not happen, I've gotta see it.

My first clone was off of a flowering plant. My veg tent just got started with seedlings, so I popped the clone in there for observation. Hah, that was lame. Those hormones went hella wonky. She was thrown away, but there were interesting moments. I have to get my hands in everything I do, the fuckups have made me better with every endeavor.

Enjoy your day all!

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Out of all of my weed reading I've never come across light stress due to a change in start times.
I'm not sure but my thinking says if you're not stressing them out outer ways they will be fine. I've read some like to transition like you.
I see you grew a pineapple chunk. I just finished one and it's not quite ready to smoke yet. How are you liking it?
 
Mornin Gaffle! I know about the start time thing because numerous vet growers warned me. It looks like some of your smaller plants may be affected....? I see lots of 3 bladed leaves which is normal when they're that small but I think I see 1 bladed leaves which is never normal. I am not sure about the reset but I hope it works for you!

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I'm not sure but my thinking says if you're not stressing them out outer ways they will be fine. I've read some like to transition like you.
I see you grew a pineapple chunk. I just finished one and it's not quite ready to smoke yet. How are you liking it?

Our PC was great. We both like the flavor, smell, and experience. I had to limit myself, didn't want to smoke it all too fast. You will enjoy, no doubt.

Mornin Gaffle! I know about the start time thing because numerous vet growers warned me. It looks like some of your smaller plants may be affected....? I see lots of 3 bladed leaves which is normal when they're that small but I think I see 1 bladed leaves which is never normal. I am not sure about the reset but I hope it works for you!

:passitleft:

This may explain some stuff. I have lots of 3 blades on my clones. The plant they came from was in flower (so they went from 12/12 to 18/6), but it was at the young veg state. I wondered if I cloned from a weird "too young" plant, but maybe it's the time situation. I'm letting them go, we will see.

I read elsewhere that you could do a plant reset, I will try that this weekend. I would rather not ruin the fresh plants. The current clones came from plants that had the same start time. Now, start time would not matter if the clones were kept at 24hr light, then set to 18/6 (or whateva you choose), yeah? I'll say I'm not experienced to know those answers. How long does it take for a plant schedule, on/off, to dictate what happens to the plant when a change occurrs?
 
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Our PC was great. We both like the flavor, smell, and experience. I had to limit myself, didn't want to smoke it all too fast. You will enjoy, no doubt.



This may explain some stuff. I have lots of 3 blades on my clones. The plant they came from was in flower (so they went from 12/12 to 18/6), but it was at the young veg state. I wondered if I cloned from a weird "too young" plant, but maybe it's the time situation. I'm letting them go, we will see.

I read elsewhere that you could do a plant reset, I will try that this weekend. I would rather not ruin the fresh plants. The current clones came from plants that had the same start time. Now, start time would not matter if the clones were kept at 24hr light, then set to 18/6 (or whateva you choose), yeah? I'll say I'm not experienced to know those answers. How long does it take for a plant schedule, on/off, to dictate what happens to the plant when a change occurrs?

What you did when you took clones from a flowering plant is known as Monstercropping. Some amazing monster plants can be had with this method. I really don't know the answer so am tagging a few people that may be able to help. @Chris Scorpio @Duggan @overlord @Doc Bud @TheGreenYeti @Graytail @gr865

Good luck bud!

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Hey Yeti! He took clones while in flower and I think start times were different so now they are showing signs of light stress. Should he change lights to 24/0 for a week or so. by reset, he is talking about turning lights off for 24 hours and then to a common on time.

My thoughts from experience and what people have told me is once those plants have been screwed up, they'll need to reveg which could take a while but I really don't know.
 
Hey Yeti! He took clones while in flower and I think start times were different so now they are showing signs of light stress. Should he change lights to 24/0 for a week or so. by reset, he is talking about turning lights off for 24 hours and then to a common on time.

So I have one set of clones that came from a plant that was started 12/12 at a seedling. It was not flowering yet due to size. Those clones are the funky ones due to start time. I will veg those for awhile just to see what happens. My newest set of clones came from the veg plants so start times are the same.

I've been trying to find some concrete info on the changing of times and light stress, not reading much. I did find some info about resetting plants timing by leaving them in the dark for 24hrs and then setting new start time. IF I can devise a method to allow start times change I'll be a happy bloke. This weekend I will perform the 24 dark reset and just watch what happens. Hopefully nothing herms.

Lighting is a funky bit of info. In nature does cannabis herm all the time due to astrological (starlight/moon) phenomenon? Is landrace less likely to have those issues? I can understand start times, hard to F up that part of nature. Though, in nature pitch black nights aren't found.
 
Instead of Fing with my flower plants, I've decided to revert back to original start time. I will set the veg tent to 24hr, then I'll reset that start time, leaving flower at the "original" time. I am determined to have different start times, or at least I have not exhausted experiments to prove whether I can or can't. Each stupid experience and setback is just what the doctor ordered for knowledge, bring it. It would be so damn easy with this small space if it worked. Pics tomorrow. OUT!
 
This is the first time I have not uppotted before flower. Usually I veg for a minute in 7s, 10s, or 15s. My flouro isn't too bright so they aren't as stalky as I'm used to. Peeked under the cover and saw roots moving laterally, not just down to the SIP res.

I had a few clones looking bad. Droopy and dry, leaves wilting. I cut some of the lower fans off (these clones were stacked a bit much), and watered with EM1 and sitting H2O. I just let the solos chill in the measuring cup for a tiny dunk. Everything came back, EXCEPT the clone I dropped while being a dummy.

The light stressed clones are still wonky. I will continue to veg and see what happens. Flowering plants are getting big fast.















 
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