Flush using molasses or no?
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Pbass
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I'd be interested in the answers here also ITheNorth I have been running molasses as well. My understanding is it's to help with some good microbugs in the soil which take time to grow and most likely then die off, so I'd think it would be ok to save the molasses for the flush, but I think it should be ph'd still? Maybe we'll get some big pot brains up in here to help. CHeers! 
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ITheNorth
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It also sweetens the flower
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ITheNorth
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I've never ph'd my water or soil for that matter. Figured if it worked for the homemade wine it must be good..
Canuckush
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Running molasses in my coco too and I just flipped a few days ago so I'm going to continue through flowering.
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ITheNorth
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So you will molasses right up until harvest?
Canuckush
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Yes I will, it's all new to me but the plants are loving it so I'll just keep on going!
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ITheNorth
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Ok. I think I'll do the same
clrwatrtom
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i don't think it would hurt. i have used it sparingly and i'm only 5 or 6 weeks from finishing the pp's.
Emilya Green
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I will throw my 2c in, just so that you have heard it once. I come from a new school of thought; that is derived of old school methods and new school research and testing.
I used to also believe in giving only water, or of course water with molasses, at the end. I did it many many times and had great success in those grows and truly believed that this was the way to do things. I however did not call this starvation diet at the end, a flush. A flush to us old school folks means moving 3x the container size of water through the soil, so as to cleanse the soil of any old nutes, debris from broken down organics, and salt from the breakdown of synthetic nutes. In the old days we clearly recognized two processes that were separate and distinct from each other... the flush cleansed the soil and the starvation diet at the end cleansed the plants.
Now thanks to modern science, you know, that pesky thing that has allows us today to grow much stronger pot than ever before, has done testing on our buds after harvest. It has been determined that this starvation diet does nothing to change the taste of our final buds after curing. It is a waste of time and an error in thought to believe that we can or should cleanse the plant at the end.
There is however, a proper time to do a proper flush. Any time during the grow when you see water use stagnate when using synthetic nutes, it is very possibly that the salts have built up to the point that it restricts water uptake into the roots. A quick 3x flush on your water only day clears the soil and gets things going full speed again.
One of the most important times to do a flush is in the last 2 weeks of the grow, when the buds have entered into the final stretch, where they can double in size and weight. Full uptake and full nutes can be used to great effect during this time, and I now know that much more massive and flavorful yields can be achieved by feeding right up to the end. Giving a proper flush right before the final push toward completion can supercharge this process.
People who do not want to go to this effort will say that they don't flush at the end and did just fine, or that they give only water for the last week or even two, and got a great yield. Just imagine what could have happened if you used the finishing nutes to supercharge this ending after a properly timed proper flush, giving the plant everything it could use to finish, along with massive amounts of water! Those who are skeptical should try a side by side test of these new methods... you will see. Ask any organic soil grower... they already know what plants look and taste like that are fed right up to the end.
I used to also believe in giving only water, or of course water with molasses, at the end. I did it many many times and had great success in those grows and truly believed that this was the way to do things. I however did not call this starvation diet at the end, a flush. A flush to us old school folks means moving 3x the container size of water through the soil, so as to cleanse the soil of any old nutes, debris from broken down organics, and salt from the breakdown of synthetic nutes. In the old days we clearly recognized two processes that were separate and distinct from each other... the flush cleansed the soil and the starvation diet at the end cleansed the plants.
Now thanks to modern science, you know, that pesky thing that has allows us today to grow much stronger pot than ever before, has done testing on our buds after harvest. It has been determined that this starvation diet does nothing to change the taste of our final buds after curing. It is a waste of time and an error in thought to believe that we can or should cleanse the plant at the end.
There is however, a proper time to do a proper flush. Any time during the grow when you see water use stagnate when using synthetic nutes, it is very possibly that the salts have built up to the point that it restricts water uptake into the roots. A quick 3x flush on your water only day clears the soil and gets things going full speed again.
One of the most important times to do a flush is in the last 2 weeks of the grow, when the buds have entered into the final stretch, where they can double in size and weight. Full uptake and full nutes can be used to great effect during this time, and I now know that much more massive and flavorful yields can be achieved by feeding right up to the end. Giving a proper flush right before the final push toward completion can supercharge this process.
People who do not want to go to this effort will say that they don't flush at the end and did just fine, or that they give only water for the last week or even two, and got a great yield. Just imagine what could have happened if you used the finishing nutes to supercharge this ending after a properly timed proper flush, giving the plant everything it could use to finish, along with massive amounts of water! Those who are skeptical should try a side by side test of these new methods... you will see. Ask any organic soil grower... they already know what plants look and taste like that are fed right up to the end.
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ITheNorth
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Thanks for the awesome info Emilya. I will take your advice on this.I will throw my 2c in, just so that you have heard it once. I come from a new school of thought; that is derived of old school methods and new school research and testing.
I used to also believe in giving only water, or of course water with molasses, at the end. I did it many many times and had great success in those grows and truly believed that this was the way to do things. I however did not call this starvation diet at the end, a flush. A flush to us old school folks means moving 3x the container size of water through the soil, so as to cleanse the soil of any old nutes, debris from broken down organics, and salt from the breakdown of synthetic nutes. In the old days we clearly recognized two processes that were separate and distinct from each other... the flush cleansed the soil and the starvation diet at the end cleansed the plants.
Now thanks to modern science, you know, that pesky thing that has allows us today to grow much stronger pot than ever before, has done testing on our buds after harvest. It has been determined that this starvation diet does nothing to change the taste of our final buds after curing. It is a waste of time and an error in thought to believe that we can or should cleanse the plant at the end.
There is however, a proper time to do a proper flush. Any time during the grow when you see water use stagnate when using synthetic nutes, it is very possibly that the salts have built up to the point that it restricts water uptake into the roots. A quick 3x flush on your water only day clears the soil and gets things going full speed again.
One of the most important times to do a flush is in the last 2 weeks of the grow, when the buds have entered into the final stretch, where they can double in size and weight. Full uptake and full nutes can be used to great effect during this time, and I now know that much more massive and flavorful yields can be achieved by feeding right up to the end. Giving a proper flush right before the final push toward completion can supercharge this process.
People who do not want to go to this effort will say that they don't flush at the end and did just fine, or that they give only water for the last week or even two, and got a great yield. Just imagine what could have happened if you used the finishing nutes to supercharge this ending after a properly timed proper flush, giving the plant everything it could use to finish, along with massive amounts of water! Those who are skeptical should try a side by side test of these new methods... you will see. Ask any organic soil grower... they already know what plants look and taste like that are fed right up to the end.
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ITheNorth
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So just so I'm clear...
I have about 3-4 weeks to go before harvest. I have been nuking and molasses up til now. I will continue to do so for another week to 10 days then just 3x the pot size of water thru the plant to flush the soil clean. Then I will continue nuking and molasses up to harvest day?
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's what I understand you are saying.
Thank you Emilya
I have about 3-4 weeks to go before harvest. I have been nuking and molasses up til now. I will continue to do so for another week to 10 days then just 3x the pot size of water thru the plant to flush the soil clean. Then I will continue nuking and molasses up to harvest day?
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's what I understand you are saying.
Thank you Emilya
Emilya Green
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yes, I think you have it! I see no reason at all to stop the normal nuke/water/nuke/water routine that you have been following all along.
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ITheNorth
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So should I still do a 3x "flush" in a week or so?
Emilya Green
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Oh, you mean because you have been giving only water? If I were you I would immediately do a proper flush and clean out the soil, and in the last gallon through I would add nutes to get this thing going strong again, and then continue to the end with nutes/water/nutes/water. The timing of this flush isn't real critical, just so it is close enough to the end that salts don't build up again before the chop.
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ITheNorth
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No, I have been giving 10-52-10 and molasses every 3rd day for about a month now (since she started to flower). Has been growing very well. In the last couple of day u have noticed a few of the large leaves on the bottom turning yellow tho and I have removed about 10 so far
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ITheNorth
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And to do 3x flush would I add all that water at once? Allowing it to flow thru of course...
Emilya Green
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I would just continue that then, and somewhere in there just give her a proper flush without any nutes. The yellowing is most likely because since you are now in flower, you are light on one of the major macronutrients, the K in your 10-52-10 nutes. You could use a high potassium finishing nute about now to add to this.
Emilya Green
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of course... why would that be any different than watering to runoff? You are doing that each time arent you, or have you somehow determined for your plants how much to give them every 3 days?
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ITheNorth
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I only give her a full watering can per watering. Maybe I'm not giving enough? I never see the water drain out the bottom.
Sorry for all the questions as dumb as they may sound but I want to learn the right way.
