Drcannabi's KIS Organics Recycled Soil - HSO Loast Coast OG - LED Grow

I agree with you 100%. I just want to make it clear that I wasn't being snarky at all. I genuinely remembered half way through suggesting you try DNA, that you were sponsored and then assumed you wouldn't pay for beans if you get them for free.
 
Lol never thought you were my friend and I wasn't either :) but yeah I refuse to pay for beans nowadays :)
 
I don't pay for them anymore either cause I have more in my private seedbank than I can handle :Hookah:
 
You can never have too many. It is like a separate hobby all on it's own. I'm obsessed with getting as many as I can. Then if I ever want to start breeding, I might be sitting on some genetics that are very hard to find. Expensive hobby though.
 
Well, when you have 5 thousands or so I guess you can call that too many :laughtwo: Collecting beans is good I guess but if you don't grow a lot of them them you don't really know what's in them. For breeding purposes it's not enough to pop 10 beans and grow them in the closet, you have to go through hundreds of plants and have clear objectives in your mind :Namaste:
 
Yeah thousands is more than what I thought you were talking about. How did you even get to that amount?
 
By pollinating few plants, man. You get more than enough that way!
 
TheBlaze said:
LOL! I can see it now... Doc staring at the floor for hours without even blinking. It will get better after another 2 weeks and a good cure. The sour chiesel sample i took had a similar effect. Now it is much better, with a more complex high.
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I'm really hoping so bud! :Love:
 
conradino23 said:
Technically all cuts of OG Kush come from the line imported to SoCal in the 90's from Florida as B-Real keeps saying and few other growers claim the same. This LA bunch claims it was called Crippy there which is how famous Colombian hybrid composed of local landrace sativa and Afghan import was called in the 80's-90's, but we don't know if it's the same for sure.

Now this story is different from the old myth that says it was an S1 seed from Chemdawg '91 but I tend to believe it less and less cause these plants are different. I actually never grew Chemdawg '91 or Chemdawg #4 but I grew original OG Kush from S1 seed which I got from a SoCal friend, and I saw the pictures, and they are completely different. I also keep a hybrid called Ultra Dog or UltraDawg in my private stock which is composed of mostly OG/Chemdawg '91 genetics, and the high is definitely different from OG Kush.

Now both of these have some powerful landrace sativa inside. OG Kush might be Thai influenced cause first hour is very trancey while indica relaxation comes on later. Chemdawg '91 on the other hand might have Colombian influence or both, I'd like to put my hands on the original clone to check it out. But then most of what is offered on the seed market is just a knockoff or another hybrid for which creating one of the cuts was used :Namaste:
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Thanks Conradino! Always love the knowledge you drop so subtly in your posts! :thanks:

The White S1 pheno 2 grows like no other plant I've seen. The buds are literally made up of frosty leaves. Little to no calyx at all. I just cut all the parts of leaf of that had no frost. When it dried the leaves all clumped together making a trichome drenched bud. I'm thinking there is quite a bit of sativa this in this pheno.
It's also turning purple?

Pheno 1 is all solid looking white Indica. Grows and looks like afghani hash plant. Big solid nugs of frosty calyx, probably a much more common pheno of the white. No one in the world would believe these came from the same seed pack.

Now since these seeds were S1 shouldn't they be much more uniform?

Forgive my ignorance! :thumb:
 
No they won't they unless they were produced from straight IBL!
 
Light Addict said:
Yep since getting in to the scene a little more in depth and learning a good deal on the industry, I can confirm what's being said. There are only a good few of the seed companies actually breeding their own stuff! Most indeed just buy on mass and re label and name to push as a new product! It has ruined the market in so many ways for the uninformed genetics wise!
I personally now will only be working for the main part with a few main breeders products, ones I know personally and therefore I know exactly what I'm getting and where it came from! (Real breeders of their own work!)
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Thanks LA!

This sucks lol!

I know it goes on but I've also witnessed so much misinformation on the Web that is literally impossible to find out who's telling the truth and who's lying. For people like me out of the main scene I just have to read grow and smoke reports and try to pick my strains that way.

There are a few breeders I've read about that I'm convinced are the real deal. Sensi, bodhi, rare dankness and Mr nice are examples of these. Those are the ones I've personally read a load of info on and feel quite confident they're genuine.

What a bummer :(
 
conradino23 said:
No they won't they unless they were produced from straight IBL!
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Thanks Conradino!

I've got 2 ends of the spectrum here for the white s1.
 
HI Dr,

Great to have another dr in the house lol. :welcome:

I'm out of my league as well. I've got a lot to learn when it comes to breeding and genetics. Right now it's a low priority for me, but I'm getting the itch to read and learn.

I've spent the last couple years learning the inns and outs of organics and building an SFW. Once I tasted the difference between salts and nature I was hooked. At some point I'll be to old and beat up to grow organically but for now I can still do it lol.

Time to get my read on and I'm glad you stopped by my friend! :Namaste:
 
Ok just to top this heavy cannacake of discussion with a cherry I'll add that selfing is not the way a breeder should go normally cause by selfing you basically stress the plant to replicate the DNA and she will put some hermie stock into her offspring. It might be 10% of population but it might be 25% and if you do not grow at least 1000 plants which is legit sample you simply don't know what you have. Yes cannabis does it in nature Thai and Nepalese lines are famous for it but it createa big problems for breeders. An unstable heterozygous line will give at least 2-3 phenos often more cause it resembles F2 generation basically. You reconfigure genes but recessive traits pop up in the same time. It's a complicated matter which wasn't studied enough and maybe legalization will change it.

By the way soil food web is the way to go, I've been growing LOS style for 13 yrz :passitleft:
 
drcannabi said:
HI Dr,

Great to have another dr in the house lol. :welcome:

I'm out of my league as well. I've got a lot to learn when it comes to breeding and genetics. Right now it's a low priority for me, but I'm getting the itch to read and learn.

I've spent the last couple years learning the inns and outs of organics and building an SFW. Once I tasted the difference between salts and nature I was hooked. At some point I'll be to old and beat up to grow organically but for now I can still do it lol.

Time to get my read on and I'm glad you stopped by my friend! :Namaste:
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Then he'll switch to high brix...huh? Who said that? Lmao :)
 
brightlight said:
Sounds like you're describing me doc! :rofl: Thanks for the laugh.:thankyou:
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I know it does brother light. We're 2 pees in a pod:)

My mind and heart are working at 3x the speed my body is lol. I've got so much I want to do but my dang body won't let me. I still grow for the pleasure and the responsibility for my patients, but dang, I wish I had a helper some times. My patients are so worse than me, it keeps me going. They were all so happy after my surgery when I decided to keep growing.

I have to say, I am too!:Namaste:
 
conradino23 said:
Ok just to top this heavy cannacake of discussion with a cherry I'll add that selfing is not the way a breeder should go normally cause by selfing you basically stress the plant to replicate the DNA and she will put some hermie stock into her offspring. It might be 10% of population but it might be 25% and if you do not grow at least 1000 plants which is legit sample you simply don't know what you have. Yes cannabis does it in nature Thai and Nepalese lines are famous for it but it createa big problems for breeders. An unstable heterozygous line will give at least 2-3 phenos often more cause it resembles F2 generation basically. You reconfigure genes but recessive traits pop up in the same time. It's a complicated matter which wasn't studied enough and maybe legalization will change it.

By the way soil food web is the way to go, I've been growing LOS style for 13 yrz :passitleft:
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You are the man Conradino! Your knowledge shows your years of experience. Everything you say and do I can take as the truth. That's very rare! I'm sending positive vibes to you my friend. Your knowledge and willingness to share it is much appreciated! :Namaste:
 
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