Dennise - No Longer The Newest Of Newbies - Not Growing In MG - Perpetual

Super I am going to have to find my recipe... It's not where I thought I had put it but it starts with ProMix HP, worm castings, compost, azomite, yum-yum (organic nutes) bat guano, perilite and I know I am forgetting something but I will look up the recipe and get the exact amounts and of what.....:circle-of-love:
 
Dennise said:
Super I am going to have to find my recipe... It's not where I thought I had put it but it starts with ProMix HP, worm castings, compost, azomite, yum-yum (organic nutes) bat guano, perilite and I know I am forgetting something but I will look up the recipe and get the exact amounts and of what.....:circle-of-love:
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Thanks D.

I have the Promix and the Perlite. That's a good start I guess. :) :peace:
 
Here is the original recipe. Denise is using some Red Bud Farms potting mix as opposed to the FFOF (I think) and Azomite as opposed to the Excellerite.

For the seedling mix I combined 3 gallons of Sunshine #4, 1 gallon of FFOF, one gallon of chunky perlite, and 1/2 cup of granulated mixed mycorrizial inoculate. There is plenty of food in the FFOF to feed the seedlings, the Sunshine is not nutrient rich at all, and the perlite improves drainage. Seedlings like this lean, well draining soil.

The base for both the veg and flower soils is the same. Nine gallons of Sunshine #4, three gallons of FFOF, three gallons of worm castings, one and a half gallons of chunky perlite, six cups of Yum-Yum mix, and two cups of Excelerite. Here is a blurb from the Excellerite web-site about this product:

"U.S. Rare Earth Minerals has been blessed with the rights to mine what is widely considered the rarest source of ancient lake bed sediments in Panaca Nevada found to date. A host of scientists recognize it as the richest known source in the world for natural occurring macro, micro and nano nutrients. These minerals and trace elements have been naturally chelated in the presence of Humic and Fulvic acids to produce the powerful combination of Panaca minerals that we call Excelerite; Excelerite is approved by the Organic Materials Review Institude (OMRI) listed, and may be used in certified organic production or food processing and handling according to the USDA National Organic Program Rule.

Yum-Yum mix contains:

Alfalfa Meal: Nitrogen; Vitamins-A, B, E, carotene, thiamine, biotin, pantothenic acid, niacin, riboflavin, folic acid, choline; 16 amino acids, co-enzymes, sugars, starches, protein fiber.

Cottonseed Meal: Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Potassium.

Kelp Meal: Nitrogen; Potassium; Vitamins-A, B, B2 , C, calcium, pantothenate, niacin, folic acid; minerals-barium, boron, calcium, cobalt, copper, fluorine, iron, magnesium, manganese, molybdenum, nickel, sodium, strontium, sulfur, zinc; 17 amino acids.

Greensand: Iron, Potassium, Silicate, Phosphorus, 30 trace elements.

Rock Dust: Calcium, Sulfur, Magnesium, Boron, Cobalt.

Rock Phosphate: Phosphorus, Calcium, Trace Elements.

Humate: Salts of Humic Acid - improve soil characteristics and aids in releasing other nutrients to plants in usable forms.

Dry Molasses: Carbohydrates, Sugars, Trace Elements - feeds and attracts beneficial soil organisms.

Guaranteed Analysis -Total Nitrogen (N) - 2.0% - Available Phosphate (P2O5) - 1.0%. Soluble Potash (K2O) - 1.0%.

The Yum-Yum is great stuff - a well balanced amendment. It won't burn plants. I've actually put the stuff in my mouth and tasted it - not bad at all.

The only other thing the veg soil gets is 1 cup of 10-1-1 Mexican bat guano.

The flower soil has no Mexican guano. It gets 1 cup of 0.5-13-0.2 Indonesian bat guano, and 1 cup of soft rock phosphate.
 
PeeJay said:
Here is the original recipe. Denise is using some Red Bud Farms potting mix as opposed to the FFOF (I think) and Azomite as opposed to the Excellerite.

For the seedling mix I combined 3 gallons of Sunshine #4, 1 gallon of FFOF, one gallon of chunky perlite, and 1/2 cup of granulated mixed mycorrizial inoculate. There is plenty of food in the FFOF to feed the seedlings, the Sunshine is not nutrient rich at all, and the perlite improves drainage. Seedlings like this lean, well draining soil.

The base for both the veg and flower soils is the same. Nine gallons of Sunshine #4, three gallons of FFOF, three gallons of worm castings, one and a half gallons of chunky perlite, six cups of Yum-Yum mix, and two cups of Excelerite. Here is a blurb from the Excellerite web-site about this product:

"U.S. Rare Earth Minerals has been blessed with the rights to mine what is widely considered the rarest source of ancient lake bed sediments in Panaca Nevada found to date. A host of scientists recognize it as the richest known source in the world for natural occurring macro, micro and nano nutrients. These minerals and trace elements have been naturally chelated in the presence of Humic and Fulvic acids to produce the powerful combination of Panaca minerals that we call Excelerite; Excelerite is approved by the Organic Materials Review Institude (OMRI) listed, and may be used in certified organic production or food processing and handling according to the USDA National Organic Program Rule.

Yum-Yum mix contains:

Alfalfa Meal: Nitrogen; Vitamins-A, B, E, carotene, thiamine, biotin, pantothenic acid, niacin, riboflavin, folic acid, choline; 16 amino acids, co-enzymes, sugars, starches, protein fiber.

Cottonseed Meal: Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Potassium.

Kelp Meal: Nitrogen; Potassium; Vitamins-A, B, B2 , C, calcium, pantothenate, niacin, folic acid; minerals-barium, boron, calcium, cobalt, copper, fluorine, iron, magnesium, manganese, molybdenum, nickel, sodium, strontium, sulfur, zinc; 17 amino acids.

Greensand: Iron, Potassium, Silicate, Phosphorus, 30 trace elements.

Rock Dust: Calcium, Sulfur, Magnesium, Boron, Cobalt.

Rock Phosphate: Phosphorus, Calcium, Trace Elements.

Humate: Salts of Humic Acid - improve soil characteristics and aids in releasing other nutrients to plants in usable forms.

Dry Molasses: Carbohydrates, Sugars, Trace Elements - feeds and attracts beneficial soil organisms.

Guaranteed Analysis -Total Nitrogen (N) - 2.0% - Available Phosphate (P2O5) - 1.0%. Soluble Potash (K2O) - 1.0%.

The Yum-Yum is great stuff - a well balanced amendment. It won't burn plants. I've actually put the stuff in my mouth and tasted it - not bad at all.

The only other thing the veg soil gets is 1 cup of 10-1-1 Mexican bat guano.

The flower soil has no Mexican guano. It gets 1 cup of 0.5-13-0.2 Indonesian bat guano, and 1 cup of soft rock phosphate.
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Thanks so much!!! I am going to cut and paste this into a word doc so I don't loose it again!!! I currently am using FFOF in equal parts with Promix and Perlite. It work well, but I would like to try taking then next step. D's plants always look amazing in your soil!! Thanks. :peace:
 
Super... I found it....
Seedlings:
2 gal ProMix Hp
2 qt Perlite
1 cup compost
1/4 cup yum-yum
3 TBSP step 1 Growology ( It's a blend of humates and a beneficial mycorrhiza) I use a bag of Mycorrhiza... I'm out of the Growology
1-1.5 cups water

Veg Soil:
6 gal Promix Hp
1 gal perlite
3 qts worm castings
6 cups compost
3.5 yum-yum
1 cup azomite
2 TBSP step 1
1 qt water

Flower soil:
15 gal Promix HP
3 gal perlite
1 gal worm castings
3 qts compost
2 qts yum-yum
3 cups azomite
1.5 Bat Guano
2 cups Rock Phosphate
2.5 qts water


Mix them all up and let them cook for a bit... after that I don't do anything but add water unless they look like they need something and I have only had that happen once... I do also use the ultra Snow Storm as a foliar spray once a week after they are showing sex and I add cal/mag every other watering due to the LEDs but other than that... just add water...:)...PJ adds a foliar spray of SaltWater Farms SeaCom-PGR (0-4-4) sometimes I think and I have some but have never tried it.... ..:circle-of-love:
 
Squashed like a bug. You can see that there are some differences and those are based on what Denise could get her hands on. Reg is in another dirt. Canna in a third. All are tailored to their individual situations.

I have a new mix that is doing well and an all in one veg and flower mix. I figure I can boost Phosphate in flower organically very easy with drenches of 2-3-1 fish hyrdosylate and a 0-4-4 kelp foliar spray now and then.

Here is the recipe I used for PJ v2.01.

I decided to drop the guanos from the mix and replace them with crab meal. The mix is basically the same. The flower and veg soils only differed in that there was soft rock phosphate in the flower soil only. Flower soil had a small amount of high phosphorous sea bird guano and veg had a little high nitrogen bat guano. This crop of plants is all in the original mix except for the breeders who are in v2.01.

There are some other minor changes to v2.01. Excellerite, the panca clay I was using as a mineralising agent is no longer available retail and I didn't want to pay shipping on a 50 pound bag. It was replaced with Cascade Minerals basalt dust and glacial rock dust.

As a base this time I used 1 compressed 3.5 cubic foot bale of Sunshine #4 and one compressed bale of Klasmann-Deilmann K-1 plus perlite. The Klasmann is a European white peat that is milled to exacting specifications so that it's fiber sizes are uniform and there is very little "peat flour" or dust in it. Peat is great because it does not degrade too fast but it does degrade. A uniform peat composition allegedly maintains an ideal porosity to hold water when wet and air as the medium dries out. Small fibers and dust fill the pockets and limit water retention and air flow. I have to say I was impressed with the product. It is silky smooth and feels amazing. The jury is out on if it is worth the extra expense since it costs about 4x as much as standard peat moss and half again as much as Sunshine #4 or Pro-Mix costs.

I also added a little oyster shell flour this time. Ha ha. I guess there are quite a few differences after all.

1 5.0 cu ft bale Klasmann Deilmann K-1 with 15 % perlite by volume
1 3.5 cu ft bale of Sunshine #4 (yellow label)

The compressed bales break down into roughly double the volume so there was ~ 17 cubic feet of base material.

3.0 cu ft Fox Farms Ocean Forest
3.0 cu ft Chunky Perlite
2.5 cu ft Roots premium worm castings
5.0 Gallons Yum-Yum Mix
2.0 qts Crab Meal
4 # Cascade Minerals Basalt
2.5 # Glacial Rock Powder
2.5 # Soft Rock Phosphate
1.0 # Oyster Shell Four
2 cups granulated mixed mycos

While mixing the dirt we used a sprayer to moisten it and the water in the sprayer had 2 tsp/gallon of 2-3-1 cold processed fish emulsion, 1/2 tsp a gallon of Sea Com PGR 0-5-5 cold water kelp extract and 2 tsp/ gallon of liquid mixed mycos. We used 10 gallons water total.

This produced about a yard of dirt (27 cu/ft) There are 7.5 gallons in a cubic foot so there was ~200 gallons of dirt. The total cost was ~ $215.00. It costs me about ten bucks for a 10 gallon container.
 
My hydro store doesn't have it and says that can't get it anymore... Hey Lady! Hit that Sugar Mango and the outdoor girls with some Sea-Com this week. They are ready.

That Sugar Mango is a nice fat auto. It spent three weeks in seedling mix and then went right into flower soil, right? Just water?
 
But... but... but that's a whole lot of differences and what in God's name am I going to do with 200 cf of dirt and where in the world am I going to put it where I can get to it...:thedoubletake: Ohhh.... I think I like the original recipe just fine... I do like the better rock stuff and did notice a difference in that patch than with the azomite but all that other stuff and you never told me to wet it with fishy stuff.... Yuck!!! that's gonna stink...:straightface: OK you got all fancy dancy on me and I'm just plain Jane but I love your original recipe you gave me PJ and I am certainly growing my best herb in it... so if it ain't broke I ain't fixin' it and it ain't broke... If I start doing all that though I will be broke and ohhhh... I have a headache....:;):.....:circle-of-love:
 
PeeJay said:
My hydro store doesn't have it and says that can't get it anymore... Hey Lady! Hit that Sugar Mango and the outdoor girls with some Sea-Com this week. They are ready.

That Sugar Mango is a nice fat auto. It spent three weeks in seedling mix and then went right into flower soil, right? Just water?
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Yepper... I did the auto Ultra Lemon Hazes a bit different and did do the baby then veg and just potted them up in bloom soil yesterday.... but the SM went straight from the baby to flower soil.... Don't know why I did it different this time but wanted to see what happened.....:circle-of-love:
 
Hey. Any of you experts can tell me when seeds are able to replant. After the harvest. What month. Few weeks. Be my guess. But anyone got idea. Sorry hun. U have the experts over here. And I'm kinda off in my little world. It's been hell. Feel like I haven't slept in months now.
 
Here's just some eye candy....:circle-of-love:
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Hi dennise, my questions :D
Question number #1 - what was the final dry weight for the three girls you had under the reflector 96x3
question number #2 - i just got a 480 96x5 w/ a 90 watt ufo as side lighting in a 2x4x6 tent. should i just go ahead and order a 2nd one(reflector 480)? or just run 1.
question number #3 my goal is 220+grams is that achievable? ( 3-4 plants ) what would i need to make it happen? add a reflector or mars II ?
 
Dennise said:
But... but... but that's a whole lot of differences and what in God's name am I going to do with 200 cf of dirt and where in the world am I going to put it where I can get to it...:thedoubletake: Ohhh.... I think I like the original recipe just fine... I do like the better rock stuff and did notice a difference in that patch than with the azomite but all that other stuff and you never told me to wet it with fishy stuff.... Yuck!!! that's gonna stink...:straightface: OK you got all fancy dancy on me and I'm just plain Jane but I love your original recipe you gave me PJ and I am certainly growing my best herb in it... so if it ain't broke I ain't fixin' it and it ain't broke... If I start doing all that though I will be broke and ohhhh... I have a headache....:;):.....:circle-of-love:
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:rofl: Thanks for the giggles :circle-of-love:
 
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