Composting compost? Vermi-style!

GodOfPot

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So I'll start off by saying this isn't in any way my idea, people have been doing this for years, however I didn't see a thread dedicated to it here, yet it seems like such a great idea....I'm sure there's people on here doing it already but didn't see any discussion about it.

Personally very new to living soil, so still learning a lot....listening to a pod cast on KIS with CC was the first time I heard mention of vermicomposting compost. Wait what? Yes, taking something like Bu's Compost and running it through a worm bin essentially, seems much "cleaner" too for those who're grossed out by rotting foods and smells.

Started to look around, and there's a lot of talk about it, different recipes and methods, but obviously the better you put in, the better the outcome.

The idea is you take something like finished compost(Bu's as example) add perlite/rice hulls/pumice etc. and mix it up, moisten it, toss worms on top, then you can lightly top dress it with stuff like neem, kelp, karanja, rock dusts & crustacean(lightly once or twice a month) leave it for 3 months and you have a finished product of rich EWC you could use as your entire 1/3 humus portion of the mix.

Wondering if anyone around here has been doing this, still very new to me and still reading about it but it seems very appealing, not something that needs to be tended to often, basically just "set it and forget it", it's quick and the outcome is better then anything you could buy.
 
Not quite that easy but that's the concept. Boogie Brew sells excellent vermicompost. Save yourself the hassle!

ES
 
Not quite that easy but that's the concept. Boogie Brew sells excellent vermicompost. Save yourself the hassle!

I think you are confusing worm castings (worm poop) with vermicompost (VC) , which is all the compost media with the castings still intact. Worm castings are a good addition to living soil, whereas VC is a solid growing medium itself.

I usually add 20% coir and 20% perlite/vermiculite for added water retention and aeration, as VC can get pretty dense. Additionally I add small amount of azomite, greensand, and mycorrhizae for good measure.

I have just started using fresh seaweed in the VC bins to see how well the worms break down the material (and hopefully incorporate the micronutrients) .

Active VC bin..,


Finished..


 
Looks like great fertile stuff. I'm an oldster and use the words interchangeably. Something I'm going to do once I get to my permanent home! I did this back in the 1970's for the garden and fishing.

ES
 
The idea is you take something like finished compost(Bu's as example) add perlite/rice hulls/pumice etc. and mix it up, moisten it, toss worms on top, then you can lightly top dress it with stuff like neem, kelp, karanja, rock dusts & crustacean(lightly once or twice a month) leave it for 3 months and you have a finished product of rich EWC you could use as your entire 1/3 humus portion of the mix.

I use "finished" compost as a starting medium for VC, but you still need to feed them. They eat the bacteria from rotting organic matter, and if compost is finished that means most of the rot is done. VC bins won't smell if you limit the type of organic inputs (and use a lid)...I prefer vegetable scraps and coffee grounds...that is plenty to give you solid VC.
 
I like to use my fresh trimmings from my plant prunes and I also VC with root balls.
 
yes feeding thermophilic compost (manure based) through a worm bin is often one key to quality worm castings because of the added microbial biomass. often times sellers will feed worms grains thinking it will fatten them up instead of fattening the soil's microbe content up. worms derive much of their nutrition from microorganisms so when they feed them grains and the grains decompose, its not so much the worms eating the grains, but the worms eating the microbes that decompose the food.

using compost like this is also doing what nature intended: using a waste product to create optimal product for the garden. i wouldn't use a finished compost product like malibu to do that though because of the economics. if youre at this point you're probably ready to start and finetune your own compost pile, with manure as the bulk weight.
 
Alright. Well I would assume they dont play the same role as red wigglers. Perhaps they just arent as effective or maybe just cant contribute to the microbial life like the red ones?

I got mine from @Blew Hiller a member here. He just shipped me a box with dirt and worms. And I added them to my bins. Now I have like 100 gallons of worm bins, lol.

My big question is how do I cut and amend the bins. I sifted out most if the unconsumed organic matter ( eggshells lettuce etc.) Cut it with 35 to 40% promix hp. Added 2 cups of azomite per 16 to 18 gallons of dirt. And 4 cups of chicken shit. Tilled and back into bins.

Next I'm going to line fabric pots with perlite, fill them up and add cover crop to feed the worms until my beans arrive for outdoor.
 
My big question is how do I cut and amend the bins. I sifted out most if the unconsumed organic matter ( eggshells lettuce etc.)
I'm not sure what's happening here for you....eggshells won't get consumed, but lettuce and similar items shouldn't be identifiable...means the worms haven't broken it down yet. I generally stop feeding a bin at least a month prior to using the VC...the worms should have it all broken down by then.

My big question is how do I cut and amend the bins
Amend for use as cannabis soil? No need to amend in any way for the worms.

Next I'm going to line fabric pots with perlite, fill them up and add cover crop to feed the worms until my beans arrive for outdoor.
Where did you get this plan? The perlite is most effective mixed into the VC...which, when does correctly, should be dense and in beed of perlite. When I finish out my bins I also will see a lot less worms...they canna-balize :)laugh: ) themselves when the food disappears...but its all good for the VC. So, my goal is not to have worms in the pot but finished VC.
 
I see. Well my goal was remove the stuff I was feeding them. And get as many worms into a new tote as possible leaving behind the goodies.

Now, there is already a LOT of perlite in my totes. And I added more via the promix hp which I added in nearly equal parts the the VC. But didnt van suggest you add like oyster shells or one last thing? I suppose amend may not be the correct word, but you added a little but of something for trace materials maybe?

Or maybe I'm nuts! But I was going for the no till LOS. So basically you just take the aforementioned concoction and add a cover crop (mainly clovers). You occasionally trim and it helps feed the soil and microbes while deterring harmful pests and attracting predators.
 
Well my goal was remove the stuff I was feeding them. And get as many worms into a new tote as possible leaving behind the goodies.
The trick to do that is to only put food on one side of the bin and over 1-2 weeks all the worms will migrate to that side of the bin...scoop out all the other side and replace with new media for the worms :)
 
But didnt van suggest you add like oyster shells or one last thing? I suppose amend may not be the correct word, but you added a little but of something for trace materials maybe?
Yes, this is added to the finished VC, which you can do my way or the suggested way above...but it needs to be finished either way (no added food for 3-4 weeks)
 
Alright. Well I would assume they dont play the same role as red wigglers. Perhaps they just arent as effective or maybe just cant contribute to the microbial life like the red ones?

I got mine from @Blew Hiller a member here. He just shipped me a box with dirt and worms. And I added them to my bins. Now I have like 100 gallons of worm bins, lol.

My big question is how do I cut and amend the bins. I sifted out most if the unconsumed organic matter ( eggshells lettuce etc.) Cut it with 35 to 40% promix hp. Added 2 cups of azomite per 16 to 18 gallons of dirt. And 4 cups of chicken shit. Tilled and back into bins.

Next I'm going to line fabric pots with perlite, fill them up and add cover crop to feed the worms until my beans arrive for outdoor.
Currently in Canada / Nova Scotia -- so shipping worms over the border. Not needed. I can source some online, but they cannot ship until the freezing temperatures are gone. with good reason. Easier to get around May from what I heard. For now, I'll at least be treating some "bait" to healthy portions of food scraps.
 
Or maybe I'm nuts! But I was going for the no till LOS. So basically you just take the aforementioned concoction and add a cover crop (mainly clovers). You occasionally trim and it helps feed the soil and microbes while deterring harmful pests and attracting predators.
Not nuts...I have seen others do that but they are not adding components (lettuce, coffee grounds, eggshells, etc) that you would to a worm bin...they are supplementing the worms with teas...too much work for me but the person I have seen doing exactly what you mention is @Nunyabiz
 
Not nuts...I have seen others do that but they are not adding components (lettuce, coffee grounds, eggshells, etc) that you would to a worm bin...they are supplementing the worms with teas...too much work for me but the person I have seen doing exactly what you mention is @Nunyabiz
Yes I plan on maybe doing some teas or top dressing. I guess what I was asking is what do you add to your VC once its ready? I assume straight VC is a little hot no?
 
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