BigBlue's Organic Daiquiri Lime

[LoSBigBlue]

Dutch Passion Auto Daiquiri Lime
Mars Hydro 70cm x 70cm x 160cm Tent
Mars Hydro TS1000 LED
Local 420 Organic Mix Medium

4 Nov - After wasting month and a half on shitty specials, 20% germination rate, (those that started were mutants right from the get go), I was able to get some Dutch Passion quality seeds. Paper towel germination with tap root 1.5cm 36 hours in.

Into fabric seedling pot.
Organic mix is a local product mixed specifically for 420, has great reviews, is heavily fortified with all kinds of good biology. It does have coco and perlite premixed but I loosened it up just a bit by adding in a bit more coco and perlite just to keep any issues with too much water retention at bay. Going straight into 24 light cycle set at about 40% on the TS1000 24" up, the important number is its dialed in to 125µmol.

The Photone App for IOS is fantastic tool to have, takes most of the guess work out of rather or not the lights are set right (hey I'm an engineer and have brown thumbs, I need numbers and tools). Later down the line there is BioBizz organic goodness to enhance the organic taste profile.

Also waiting is a 7 gallon fabric pot, word is this gal likes to get big for an auto and the 7 gallon should fill up the tent nice.

- 80 hours in and shell off, added a delicate drop of water as you can see in the pic, to keep the cotyledon moist along with high humidity, 90%, to keep it softer, thus easier to pop open. As you can see my mix is rather loose, and I am in fabric seedling pot, super airy so I want to run very high humidity, got it set for 95 let's see.

-8 NOV, woke up to an off humidifier and thus the medium needed a 10ml drink of tank water 6.4pH room temp 24C°. Got humidifier sorted out, and set for 90%

- 9 NOV, 96 hours since paper towel method start, she has opened, switching to 18/6 light cycle, 200µmol, 90%RH. 27C° - We shall call this Day 1. Medium is staying nice and slightly damp with the high humidity and the use of the fabric pot.

- 10 NOV Day 2. Is growing, slightly pale probably just need a bit of water, tent is holding a steady 90%RH which keeps medium slightly damp. Fed 20mL 6.4pH. Tent temps running highs of 26 to low of 23.

 

[Vegan4life]

LIFT OFF!!! Looking good!

 

[Jungle Joseph]

 

[Mars Hydro]

 

[LoSBigBlue]

Day 3 - Moving steadily along, RH, 90%, fed 20ml water 6.4pH. Bumped the light up to 300µmol. First run with this mix and I think plain water will be fine for the next week or so. It lists of ingredients are Perlite, Vermiculite, Mycorrhizae, Worm Castings, Blood Meal, Bat Guano, Fish Bone Meal, Kelp, Epsom Salt, Dolomite, Azomite, Humic Acid, Gypsum, Rice Hulls, Pumice, Oyster Shell, Soybean Meal, Alfalfa, Coco Coir, Fish Amino Acid.

 

[LoSBigBlue]

Day 4 - She is a bit pale, not sure why, any ideas anyone? Details of medium is above, is organic, over 4 days a total of 100mL settled tap water 6.4-6.5pH has been fed, RH now running 80%, temp 26C°, panel set to 250µmol.

 

[LoSBigBlue]

Here is a thought, although I have been checking my feed water pH, I have not for the water in the humidifier tank. Running high humidity for the seedling stage had her sucking up water well above 7pH. Plausible? We shall see, tank loaded with 6.0 now, next feed I will use 6.0.

 

[LoSBigBlue]

DAY 5 - The yellowing continues, is it the humidifier tank water, its just from the tap at about 7.4pH, could that be causing a problem, as a precaution started using adjusted water to 6.0. So is it a pH issue? If not what else is there? Dutch Passion states this strain does not likes to ease into nutrition as opposed to suddenly, could the medium be too hot for her, the vendor of the soil told me that it was good for auto seedlings, but still what DP says,,,,

hmmmm what to do?

I think I will lower the humidity to about 80% and let her go till she is really thirsty, which in these pots might not be too long. Here is her latest pose, not her best shot.

 

[Jungle Joseph]

I think pH 7.4 is too high. My plants in soil get pH 6.0 and the coco perlite gets pH 5.5-6.1

 

[Bill284]

DAY 5 - The yellowing continues, is it the humidifier tank water, its just from the tap at about 7.4pH, could that be causing a problem, as a precaution started using adjusted water to 6.0. So is it a pH issue? If not what else is there? Dutch Passion states this strain does not likes to ease into nutrition as opposed to suddenly, could the medium be too hot for her, the vendor of the soil told me that it was good for auto seedlings, but still what DP says,,,,

hmmmm what to do?

I think I will lower the humidity to about 80% and let her go till she is really thirsty, which in these pots might not be too long. Here is her latest pose, not her best shot.

Hey @LoSBigBlue found the journal.
Give this thread a read, very informative.

The Proper Way To Water A Seedling In A Large Final Container

In the beginning, you may even want to start your seed directly in the final container, simply by putting it one inch deep, pointy end down. It is surprising to some how often this works, even though mother nature does it all the time. If you go this route, lightly mist the area around the...

www.420magazine.com

Stay safe.
Bill

 

[LoSBigBlue]

Hey @LoSBigBlue found the journal.
Give this thread a read, very informative.

The Proper Way To Water A Seedling In A Large Final Container

In the beginning, you may even want to start your seed directly in the final container, simply by putting it one inch deep, pointy end down. It is surprising to some how often this works, even though mother nature does it all the time. If you go this route, lightly mist the area around the...

www.420magazine.com

Stay safe.
Bill

Thanks Bill for that great read, bookmarked it for reference. Did not start out with her method but can start implementing that technique moving forward, as the saga continues below,,,

Have a Great Day!

 

[LoSBigBlue]

14 NOV Day 6 - AM - Did not succeed with maintaining 80%RH, woke up to 65%, 25C°, but the medium was very dry first few inches, and she had a bit of a droop going on, so fed 40mL 6.0pH which is her first water since Day 4. Also wanted to see if these fabric pots were too airy with the medium so cut a water bottle to fit around it to reduce some of that air flow.

PM, after her 6 hr nap she was drooped even more, YIKES, I think the plastic might of been a bad idea thus it was removed.

Another thing I noted with my setup with these fabric pots is that the very bottom never drys out, so I placed the pot onto a tray to get some ventilation to the underside. Change in height means adjustment to light, set it to 300µmol. 2 hours later she is responding as the leaves are starting to perk up.

15 NOV Day 7 - AM What a difference! She really responded nice to the underside ventilation hack. Still not the lush green color I would prefer but she is growing, her #2's are looking perky at the moment as her #1's have picked back up.

Speaking of color, look at the 2 pics, taken a minute apart, only difference is the light. The TS1000 does give her a much more yellowing look than that of a CFL. Medium is still half a day away from needing water, will let her tell me when its time or another drink.

So so far a little tricky trying to isolate the little issues thus far but feel like it is getting close to being dialed in,,, for now.

One other thing to add is that her soon to be future home is sitting beside her, same medium in a 7 gallon fabric pot. Today I checked the soil pH with a cheap soil probe and was in the range of 5.5-6.5, satisfied with that. Moving forward, each feeding that she gets I will add some of the same water to the awaiting pot in an effort to keep her environment in the same zone. Next grow I am thinking about seed straight into final pot, kind of the same way it happens in nature, the way that many say is not the best, hmmmm

 

[LoSBigBlue]

Day 7 Mid Day, shortly before lights out for 6, looking decent but telling me she wants a drink, 60mL 6.0pH, tent 28C°, 70%RH.

Over in another post, Humidifier Question, Finniki pointed out that I could potentially have root issues with the use of the white seedling bags and their slight transparency, a light issue. Not sure if they would but yeah never seen transparent flower pots for sale, so regardless I did have some super airy sun block mesh that blocks 80% sunlight so figured wrap a layer around her and see if there is a difference. More news at 6.

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[stinker]

Its a good idea to keep the light off the roots. My first two grows I used the same light and tent, in soil. I was impressed with the results.

 

[Fenderbender]

Aim for 20 on the Daily Light Integral on the Photone app put it on 24 hours if you're using that, but maybe don't go for 24 and give them some recuperating darkness 20/4 or 18/6, it's the one next to the PAR meter, and once they are a bit bigger and healthy you can push them a bit more but don't go over 40, I love the app as well and if anything it teaches me to back off. Autos can do with everything a bit less and certainly in the early stages. You can push them and pump them as demonstrated by some here but first off would be to get them through a normal grow.

 

[LoSBigBlue]

Aim for 20 on the Daily Light Integral on the Photone app put it on 24 hours if you're using that, but maybe don't go for 24 and give them some recuperating darkness 20/4 or 18/6, it's the one next to the PAR meter, and once they are a bit bigger and healthy you can push them a bit more but don't go over 40, I love the app as well and if anything it teaches me to back off. Autos can do with everything a bit less and certainly in the early stages. You can push them and pump them as demonstrated by some here but first off would be to get them through a normal grow.

Thanks FB, checked out my DLI and was at 20.6.

 

[LoSBigBlue]

Day 8 - Looking good this morning, responded well to the black mesh to block light to the roots and her 60mL drink about 12 hours ago, she will need more by midday as she is now getting into a regular routine. Another 3-4 days at this rate she should be about ready to move to the 7 gal pot.

Things are starting to level out, the cycle of water through the medium is consistent now with the fabric pot raised off the plastic surface. The top would be bone dry and the bottom 10mm would always be damp. Now as the top is just at the point of being dry I can tell that the bottom is about 4 hours away, that is what a really like about these fabric pots, the ability to feel all over.

 

[LoSBigBlue]

Its a good idea to keep the light off the roots. My first two grows I used the same light and tent, in soil. I was impressed with the results.

Thanks Stinker, I agree , the black mesh seems to be doing something as this morning things seem to be leveling out as I mentioned in the post above. Do like these pots though for the ability to feel the medium moisture at all levels, they just need the 420 black mesh hack.

 

[LoSBigBlue]

Day 9 - She is really cruising now, fed her 30mL 6.0pH last night, her #2's grew 3X overnight. 40mL in the am. Yesterday I moved to a 20/4 light schedule and the results show great response.

She is right on target with my pre-grow plan of transplant on the 16th day after her tap root emerged, that is in 3 more days. She should have a nice 3 sets by then at this rate.

 

[LoSBigBlue]

Day 10 - She is full steam ahead, 3rd set is on the way!