Back to grow after 9 years and in need of help!

[EnterTheGanjeon]

Hello 420! So happy to be here, the community seems very nice and i really need some of your wisdom.

First thing first I did two grow over 9 years ago, needless to say I'm back and currently growing 8 quick one seedlings.

I'm doing a horrible mess! I did much better years ago.

1. I've been too dumb and not explored the new (to me) world of LEDs. Bought a cheap Niello UFO 300w COB CREE which actually drain just 125w and I discovered too late I did a mistake. But I can still return it so I absolutely need light advice, on LEDs and Quantum Board too. I know i need to invest mostly on lights (and yet I choose a cheap one...)

2. I'm trying to apply SoG on my grow, which I try to do with 6 of them in 5L air pots in a 60x60x140 tent. BUT is too much of an old Secret Jardin tent and i want to upgrade to a 80x80cm as soon as possible.

3. I'm currently running into every possible problem never experienced in my two previous grows: thrips, too much tall seedlings, not understanding the correct led distance.

Yeah, I'm messing all uo. Happy to be here!

 

[Pennywise]

Welcome to 420, check out @SmokeSara she is a factory rep from Mars hydro lights. Also @Budget LED has affordable Leds that will serve you well.

 

[AdaminCO]

Let us know how we can help...
@SmokeSara with Mars can hook you up with a 420 discount on a new tent/light combo at a reasonable price.
I have some recommendations if pest are giving you hell.

 

[EnterTheGanjeon]

No doubt I'm interested in saving moneys through sales and discounts. Should I split my problems in more easy to answer threads? I really have a lot to fix here.

 

[Pennywise]

The best way to do that is start a grow journal where all your questions and answers are in one place. Also we need photos to really help with a lot of issues.

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[AdaminCO]

Welcome to 420, check out @SmokeSara she is a factory rep from Mars hydro lights. Also @Budget LED has affordable Leds that will serve you well.

Beat me to it.

 

[EnterTheGanjeon]

Thank you very much, I'll start a grow journal right away.

 

[Pennywise]

@AdaminCO you almost beat me on that one. Lol

 

[Buds Buddy]

2. I'm trying to apply SoG on my grow, which I try to do with 6 of them in 5L air pots in a 60x60x140 tent. BUT is too much of an old Secret Jardin tent and i want to upgrade to a 80x80cm as soon as possible.

I think SOG is Hydroponics (correct me if I'm wrong) & SCROG is with other grow mediums. 6 plants in 5L air pots should be OK in that size tent.
With the Mars Hydro LED's I have you have a 50%, 75%, 100% option as far as brightness so you can put the lights closer to keep them short & bushy. I usually go 24" for the 1st week or 2 @ 50%, Then 18" for about 2 weeks @ 50%, Then I turn power up to 75% for the rest of veg time. Once in Flower I lower the light to 12" for 2 weeks @75% power, After that it stays at 12" @ 100% power. It's nice being able to step things up gradually.

 

[Pennywise]

SOG is normally run with clones, you run a lot of smaller clones in a space. Clones may only be 2 weeks from rooting but you may run 50 of them in a 4x4. Packed together they tend to grow a single large colas per plant.

 

[Bush Doctor 77]

I think SOG is Hydroponics (correct me if I'm wrong) & SCROG is with other grow mediums. 6 plants in 5L air pots should be OK in that size tent.

As I understand it, SOG is "Sea of green" with a bunch of small plants, and SCROG is "Screen of green" is bigger plants spread on a horizontai screen. Both can be very productive.

 

[EnterTheGanjeon]

I think SOG is Hydroponics (correct me if I'm wrong) & SCROG is with other grow mediums. 6 plants in 5L air pots should be OK in that size tent.
With the Mars Hydro LED's I have you have a 50%, 75%, 100% option as far as brightness so you can put the lights closer to keep them short & bushy. I usually go 24" for the 1st week or 2 @ 50%, Then 18" for about 2 weeks @ 50%, Then I turn power up to 75% for the rest of veg time. Once in Flower I lower the light to 12" for 2 weeks @75% power, After that it stays at 12" @ 100% power. It's nice being able to step things up gradually.

Thank you for the indication! I've to say I've a problem of too tall, lenghty seedlings and one of them even fall down just a couple of hours ago. Maybe is because I keep messing up with the LEDs distance, I've kept it close than 24 so far. Seedlings are developing fast, with the 3d couple of true leaves in developing but as I said they have tall, weak stem and I can't figure it out, since they've so big leaves.

Do you think the light could actually be a decent one? I still don't know LED's enough to know it. I read everywhere to avoid cheap chinese LED's, sadly I read that AFTER I bought this one. I suspect it has some fake reviews too, but is solid, made of metal and pretty good looking to me.

 

[Bush Doctor 77]

I'd use the light you have for cloning, seedlings and mamas. I lean toward Budget LED, as they are US made and vet owned. They have a 420 discount, too. I grew with HID for many years, and just switched to Budget 480w and two 100w bars, and am happy. All are adjustable. I'm new to SCROG, but am liking it. I grew strictly outdoors for the last several, and just started indoors again. There's a SCROG tutorial in my signature.

 

[EnterTheGanjeon]

I'd use the light you have for cloning, seedlings and mamas. I lean toward Budget LED, as they are US made and vet owned. They have a 420 discount, too. I grew with HID for many years, and just switched to Budget 480w and two 100w bars, and am happy. All are adjustable. I'm new to SCROG, but am liking it. I grew strictly outdoors for the last several, and just started indoors again. There's a SCROG tutorial in my signature.

So would you discourage to use, let's say, a Mars Hydro TS 1000 QB for seedlings? Would be the risk of killing them even if something that powerful was at maximum height?

 

[Bush Doctor 77]

So would you discourage to use, let's say, a Mars Hydro TS 1000 QB for seedlings? Would be the risk of killing them even if something that powerful was at maximum height?

The Mars has a dimmable driver and you use a screwdriver, I think, while the Budget has a dial. Budget uses Samsung top of the line LEDs and a Meanwell driver which is also top. Both can be used for seedlings by adjusting height and intensity.

 

[EnterTheGanjeon]

The Mars has a dimmable driver and you use a screwdriver, I think, while the Budget has a dial. Budget uses Samsung top of the line LEDs and a Meanwell driver which is also top. Both can be used for seedlings by adjusting height and intensity.

Good to know! Still a tons of thing that I don't know.
Anyway I would prefer to get rid of this cob cree if I can, to save some money, even if I get that is useful to own a proper light for seedlings. But I do not think I'll do any clone in the near future. I'm very interested in save some money if I can pick up togheter tent and light, still no clue of what brand model for both of them. Sadly not Gorilla tent, none of their model matches my spaces.

 

[Buds Buddy]

SOG is normally run with clones, you run a lot of smaller clones in a space. Clones may only be 2 weeks from rooting but you may run 50 of them in a 4x4. Packed together they tend to grow a single large colas per plant.

But wouldn't SOG be Hydroponics ONLY. I understand it's a bunch of small plants. But aren't those plants sitting on a Flood Table (The SEA) & therefore that's why it's called Sea of Green ?
SCROG on the other hand would be plants growing in Soil, Coco, etc. (No SEA) under a net.
Therefore being called a Screen of Green ?
The main goal of both are the same .... fill the grow area.
But this is how I understand the difference between SOG & SCROG.

 

[Bush Doctor 77]

But wouldn't SOG be Hydroponics ONLY. I understand it's a bunch of small plants. But aren't those plants sitting on a Flood Table (The SEA) & therefore that's why it's called Sea of Green ?
SCROG on the other hand would be plants growing in Soil, Coco, etc. (No SEA) under a net.
Therefore being called a Screen of Green ?
The main goal of both are the same .... fill the grow area.
But this is how I understand the difference between SOG & SCROG.

I don't think either SOG or SCROG are media limited. Wouldn't be the first time if I am wrong.

 

[Buds Buddy]

I don't think either SOG or SCROG are media limited. Wouldn't be the first time if I am wrong.

Just seems like I read that in one of my grow books before. I can't say I'm positively right either .... But it makes sense to me.

 

[Bush Doctor 77]

Just seems like I read that in one of my grow books before. I can't say I'm positively right either .... But it makes sense to me.

Living soil won't work as containers are small, but peat/perlite medias would. They are hydro though, so ...