Advice on flushing

Chris Scorpio said:
Ummm

She is a GIRL

HENCE the Emilya name

Lol
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lol, I am a girl, a woman... but the Emilya comes from two sources, my actual given name of Emily and the word sensemillia. My dog is named Buddy because he likes to eat buds, and I like to feel that I am a buddy to all of you... so no offence taken buddy. Please carry on.
 
Emilya said:
Actually i should change the thread title :(

I've decided not to flush . I'm just skeptical when to harvest as im still learning.
I just posted recent updates of the babies above few post
Please advise buddy~
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Noted, 2% amber. So when i see some gist of amber on the trichromes and all of the hair above turned brown and crispy . (t's the harvest window then I'll prepare to harvest it by chopping it immediately

Chris Scorpio said:
Ummm

She is a GIRL

HENCE the Emilya name

Lol
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I can see that, damn she's good.
 
Emilya said:
You know something then that has been disproven and is not necessary, and is indeed, harmful. You know a myth, a fallacy. Giving only water at the end, colloquially and incorrectly called "flushing" is nothing more than torture and starvation of the plant right at the point when it needs the MOST nutrition to finish out the buds. Don't believe everything you see on Youtube or read online... a whole lot of it is BS and a whole lot more of it is old ancient science that has been debunked by modern science, but repeated over and over again by those wishing to become more popular.
Do NOT give only water for 10 days or you deserve what you get... a tiny plant with tiny buds and barely enough product to make all this work worth your time. Do not believe the hype that because you have an Auto, certain special rules apply. Look before you and see a plant. All the normal rules about growing plants apply here. Feed right up to the end. If you have a salt or nute buildup in your medium, having a blockage, then by all means flush the container with 3x the container size of fresh water to wash those salts out..... but please stop calling giving water only for an extended time, flushing. It is not. You are not able to flush a plant. All you are doing is starving her if you do this. Please do not be a plant torturer, there is enough of that already in this world.
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Good post very informative thank you
 
@Chris Scorpio @Emilya

An update, i just spot some few amber trichomes on the sugar leaves. Maybe 1-2% amber trichomes on the sugar leaves.
I'm in week hitting week 6 of flowering coming tuesday.

I assume i have maybe 1 or 2 weeks more to see at least 1% of amber of the calyxes , I observe most of the calyxes and buds have cloudy trichomes ?

Another rule of thumb, i still see maybe 20-30% of pistils are still white.

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PS, whoever is reading this post. Make sure you DON'T spray pH water on your leaves ... as it will cause more headache... i had some of my leaves burnt because of it. Lesson learnt
 
Emilya said:
Perfect amount of tip burn... you have done a great job! You are just about to harvest and it looks like it is going to be scrumptiously dank!
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Could it be due to the heat? I checked the runoff it's around 6.3 and the PPM each time i feed it's around 700-800 PPM max , with 3ML calmag and 3ML floranova bloom.
 
Emilya said:
could what be due to the heat.... the tip burn?? Seriously, that was a compliment Jay... it is exactly how to best grow this weed... feed it right up to the point where it is just starting to complain. You hit that mark perfectly.
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Haha, thanks . I'm learning a lot from people like you, Chris and others. At the same time , i'm helping others. Thanks to you guys for me to make it this far even for my first grow.

I think next round i should try DWC with Scrogg because it's hard to support the branches with buds because my current routine is dragging these babies to my toilet to feed em.
 
jaynewbie said:
@Chris Scorpio @Emilya

An update, i just spot some few amber trichomes on the sugar leaves. Maybe 1-2% amber trichomes on the sugar leaves.
I'm in week hitting week 6 of flowering coming tuesday.

I assume i have maybe 1 or 2 weeks more to see at least 1% of amber of the calyxes , I observe most of the calyxes and buds have cloudy trichomes ?

Another rule of thumb, i still see maybe 20-30% of pistils are still white.

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PS, whoever is reading this post. Make sure you DON'T spray pH water on your leaves ... as it will cause more headache... i had some of my leaves burnt because of it. Lesson learnt
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On your next grow I would suggest larger fabric pots filled to the brim with good soil and put on pot elevators so there is at least an inch or two airspace under the pot.
 
Chris Scorpio said:
Why drag em

Bring the water to them,much easier

And can't see that toilet water is good for them

Just saying

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I had issue clearing the runoff water in the saucer, the space is so clumped out between the pots since i'm growing 4 atm. Around me there's no any shop or online shop that sells wet vac . :(

Nunyabiz said:
On your next grow I would suggest larger fabric pots filled to the brim with good soil and put on pot elevators so there is at least an inch or two airspace under the pot.
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I'm using 5 gallon fabric pot with coco . Does airspace provide any benefits ? I purchased an Autopot system with 4 pot , should i also elevate it ?
I just fear the plant rise in height to the light till it cause stress , some of my plants are showing it and the difference between the light and my plant which is nearing to harvest is around few inches :( unless i master how to grow it short

Noted on the filled to the brim part, i realize the root is crawling out
 
jaynewbie said:
I had issue clearing the runoff water in the saucer, the space is so clumped out between the pots since i'm growing 4 atm. Around me there's no any shop or online shop that sells wet vac . :(



I'm using 5 gallon fabric pot with coco . Does airspace provide any benefits ? I purchased an Autopot system with 4 pot , should i also elevate it ?
I just fear the plant rise in height to the light till it cause stress , some of my plants are showing it and the difference between the light and my plant which is nearing to harvest is around few inches :( unless i master how to grow it short

Noted on the filled to the brim part, i realize the root is crawling out
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In a 5 gal pot with 2 1/2 gallons of coco is the same as a 2 1/2 gallon pot.
With coco you can get by with just 5 gallons just fine.
I am not familiar with autopots but I am sure it doesn't matter for them to have airspace under them.
Fabric pots need that air flow though so the roots can self prune on the bottom and have better drainage
 
Nunyabiz said:
In a 5 gal pot with 2 1/2 gallons of coco is the same as a 2 1/2 gallon pot.
With coco you can get by with just 5 gallons just fine.
I am not familiar with autopots but I am sure it doesn't matter for them to have airspace under them.
Fabric pots need that air flow though so the roots can self prune on the bottom and have better drainage
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I'll need to get an elevated table for my next grow then , few inch is alright ?
 
Emilya said:
I guess I need to tell my thriving plants in their smart pots that they are doing this all wrong by sitting directly in the drip pans. :) Egads, if they had only known before now. lol
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They would do better with airspace, get better drainage, and the entire pot air prunes roots.
The pot becomes a wick with airspace instead of a sponge.
Without the airspace 30% of the fabric pot is now the same as if it were plastic.
Roots dont like wet feet.
 
Nunyabiz said:
They would do better with airspace, get better drainage, and the entire pot air prunes roots.
The pot becomes a wick with airspace instead of a sponge.
Without the airspace 30% of the fabric pot is now the same as if it were plastic.
Roots dont like wet feet.
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Nun, your math is as wildly exaggerated as your warnings...
The area of the bottom is pi times the radius squared. The area of the side is 2 x pi x radius x height. Figuring on an 8in tall container with a 4" diameter base, I get that the base is only 12% of the overall surface area, less than half of what you just claimed.

Yes, it would work a little better being elevated as you describe. The amount of difference this will mean in the grow is probably unmeasurable, it being so insignificant. Drainage has nothing to do with this, that is a function of the soil and not the container. Drainage and flow through... you know this being a LOS soil expert. If you water using my methods, the roots don't keep wet feet no matter what sort of container you put them in, and sitting down flush on a dry drip tray is not in any way going to keep the bottom from being able to dry out as well as it ever would in a hard container and as long as you are not keeping water in that tray, the roots still prune at the bottom without a lot of wrapping.
 
Emilya said:
Nun, your math is as wildly exaggerated as your warnings...
The area of the bottom is pi times the radius squared. The area of the side is 2 x pi x radius x height. Figuring on an 8in tall container with a 4" diameter base, I get that the base is only 12% of the overall surface area, less than half of what you just claimed.

Yes, it would work a little better being elevated as you describe. The amount of difference this will mean in the grow is probably unmeasurable, it being so insignificant. Drainage has nothing to do with this, that is a function of the soil and not the container. Drainage and flow through... you know this being a LOS soil expert. If you water using my methods, the roots don't keep wet feet no matter what sort of container you put them in, and sitting down flush on a dry drip tray is not in any way going to keep the bottom from being able to dry out as well as it ever would in a hard container and as long as you are not keeping water in that tray, the roots still prune at the bottom without a lot of wrapping.
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To each his own.
I choose to make mine a little better.
My soil is such that I need to water every single day to run off, and a 25 gal pot has a good size footprint that I personally would much rather have it become a wick to draw water out of the pot and evaporate vs become a sponge.
It's also a fair amount of surface area to continue air pruning.
And in my case my pots sit in a bathtub which is ice cold, I dont want my roots sitting on a cold surface and have those roots grow through the fabric and onto the cold bathtub instead of self pruning and creating a larger root mass even if it's only 10-15% larger root mass I'll take it.

I suppose there also might be some difference between a teacup (8" tall 4" dia) tiny little 1 gal pot vs a 25 gallon pot.
My pot is 20" tall with an 18" base
I am no cipher surgeon but that actually looks more like 45% of the surface area not 30% so I stand corrected.
The bottom would be about 1017 sq/in
The sides 2261 sq/in
So in my case it would make a substantial difference in root mass and air pruning.
And even the little tea cup is 25% btw because the top area doesn't count as surface area of the pot because it's just open air.
50 sq/in bottom vs 201" side surface area.
Now I did take a few drops of potent Tincture this morning so I am pretty well cipher challenged at the moment but that's what I come up with.
 
jaynewbie said:
@Chris Scorpio @Emilya

An update, i just spot some few amber trichomes on the sugar leaves. Maybe 1-2% amber trichomes on the sugar leaves.
I'm in week hitting week 6 of flowering coming tuesday.

I assume i have maybe 1 or 2 weeks more to see at least 1% of amber of the calyxes , I observe most of the calyxes and buds have cloudy trichomes ?

Another rule of thumb, i still see maybe 20-30% of pistils are still white.

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20191228_193503.jpg
20191228_193509.jpg
20191228_193655.jpg
20191228_193716.jpg


PS, whoever is reading this post. Make sure you DON'T spray pH water on your leaves ... as it will cause more headache... i had some of my leaves burnt because of it. Lesson learnt
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Sorry if this is covered already, just started reading this post.

I don't go by the sugar leaves, looks at the calyx to get a read on your trichs.
 
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