Boed styles420
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It's a good app just as good as a loop imo
Advice on flushing
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We stopped flushing since no reason to
Taste etc dosent change with flushing, all it does is starve the plant in the last week's of its life, the time it's really packing on the buds and tric's
So no flush
well,, my thinking is evolving regarding when to harvest,, must say
i am experimenting with earlier harvests, before the trichomes have all turned cloudy,, because,, as stated earlier
a cloudy trichome is a trichome that has 'ALREADY' started to degrade
so, 95 % cloudy trichomed plant is a plant that has 95% of it's trichomes already degraded
how degrading is that?? ha
my opinion,, the current general thinking about when to harvest is incorrect, like most of the pseudo cannabis science out there
I know Sue, and others, have touted how early harvest can be a very different and good buzz
Something to consider for sure
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And harvesting while is clear is a no-go?
Fully clear, yes
Not sure why ya would though, or anyone would, besides yer DOG harvesting for ya....lol
gr865
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@jaynewbie
Don't go by weeks, go by the trichs, as they said, cloudy, cloudy not amber. More clear - more uppie high, Mostly cloudy - smooth high, and some amber - sleepytime. To much amber and the buds are degrading.
I never flush with plain water, I begin adding RO with CaliMagic/Mag and Epsom at low rates to my rez at about 1/2 full, then that is all I add for the last week to 10 days.
Now at about the 5th week of flower I have been having some minor lockout so I do a heavy flush with low nutes, Calimagic/Mag plus Epsom. I do this by hand, approx 1.5 to 2 gallons per pot and then begin regular feedings.
I did this last grow and it seemed to work ok, going to do it this grow and see how it goes.
Don't go by weeks, go by the trichs, as they said, cloudy, cloudy not amber. More clear - more uppie high, Mostly cloudy - smooth high, and some amber - sleepytime. To much amber and the buds are degrading.
I never flush with plain water, I begin adding RO with CaliMagic/Mag and Epsom at low rates to my rez at about 1/2 full, then that is all I add for the last week to 10 days.
Now at about the 5th week of flower I have been having some minor lockout so I do a heavy flush with low nutes, Calimagic/Mag plus Epsom. I do this by hand, approx 1.5 to 2 gallons per pot and then begin regular feedings.
I did this last grow and it seemed to work ok, going to do it this grow and see how it goes.
there is some interesting mathematics needed here,, i can see that
harvesting early, the main reason 'not' to harvest early is volume,, a lot of the volume on a bud comes during the latter half of flower growth,, my science only there
but, if one harvests earlier, then the perpetual cycle simply speeds up a bit, in a perpetual system, that is
so,, tho volumes of buds on the plants are less whilst harvesting early, the number of plants, or the volume of plants increases to potentially compensate for the early harvesting
conclusion,, harvesting earlier provides a higher quality of buddage whilst 'not' potentially producing less volume
hmmm
my opinion only,, well, maybe ed rosenthals too, more pseudo science, not based in fact at all
that is the same info folks say about the dif between sativa and indica,, again,, more pseudo science, basically because there is no more sativa and indica anymore, more or less. and the strains out there now folks have no real idea where they came from anyway and absolutely no idea, factually, what strains are even in there
old wives and husbands tales, nothing more,, imo
these methods and ideas just keep getting reborn and perpetuated, inperpetuity ,, or something
and, of course,, i could be completely out to lunch,, course, ed would be too,,
Nunyabiz
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I always harvest once I start seeing about 5% amber.
Its basically impossible to tell how much cloudy vs clear there is.
But once you see a few amber you know that most of the trichomes are getting cloudy.
I personally cant stand a super up buzzy type high, makes me anxious and paranoid.
Much prefer more of a couch lock so I wait for some amber, some cultivars that I am growing for sleep I wait for 20 to 30% amber and then cure for several months.
Its basically impossible to tell how much cloudy vs clear there is.
But once you see a few amber you know that most of the trichomes are getting cloudy.
I personally cant stand a super up buzzy type high, makes me anxious and paranoid.
Much prefer more of a couch lock so I wait for some amber, some cultivars that I am growing for sleep I wait for 20 to 30% amber and then cure for several months.
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Haha, that got me too . Technically indica and sativa is just a strain but the effect is based on the trichomes , sativa can have calm effect if it has ambers to it.
So harvesting early sometimes play a role on quality vs quantity .
Hmm tough choice, i actually have 4 plan in my tent and thinking of playing trial and error.
Now my first plant god know what strain it is ( i germinated few seeds in the same paper towel and forgotten to label it )
First time mistake learnt.
Only one plan showing swift growing , i thought of letting that one goes full cloudy because i checked it has the highest THC
1. 100% cloudy
2. 80% cloudy 20% amber
3. 50% cloudy 50% amber
4. Still thinking.
So , i was hoping maybe can i try 50% cloudy and 50% clear or full clear but i need to gauge when the bud fattens . I mean it's my first time growing
Haha, that got me too . Technically indica and sativa is just a strain but the effect is based on the trichomes , sativa can have calm effect if it has ambers to it.
So harvesting early sometimes play a role on quality vs quantity .
Hmm tough choice, i actually have 4 plan in my tent and thinking of playing trial and error.
Now my first plant god know what strain it is ( i germinated few seeds in the same paper towel and forgotten to label it )
First time mistake learnt.
Only one plan showing swift growing , i thought of letting that one goes full cloudy because i checked it has the highest THC
I see, never tried. Maybe i should try your way. But i assume curing process would take a week or two? I also got a question since you've mentioned it. During curing process started, when can we smoke the buds ? Like when it's stabilized to 56% RH
So in your experience , when will you start to flush for aiming for full cloudy. Also , is flush a must?
True, will note to myself cause i'm trying few trial and error. Cloudy will definitely be my top priority. I also heard the best time is during the calyx is swollen , am i right? I mean i've never seen one before .
Nunyabiz
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Curing takes at least a month, but to me the best cure on most cultivars is about perfect at 9 months cure.
DRYING takes 7 to 14 days before you start the cure.
Buds are technically smokable, as in you can roll a joint and smoke it once the RH gets into low 60s.
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I checked most of the plan via loupe and scope, most of them are cloud. Is it ready to harvest?? Looking for highest peak
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Lots of white hairs, I'd say a week or so more for sure
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Ok Buddy, so i assume the trichomes are not cloudy?
I'll update from time to time, btw the buds need to fatten not like the above pic right?
i was using the apps you've recommended.
Emilya Green
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You know something then that has been disproven and is not necessary, and is indeed, harmful. You know a myth, a fallacy. Giving only water at the end, colloquially and incorrectly called "flushing" is nothing more than torture and starvation of the plant right at the point when it needs the MOST nutrition to finish out the buds. Don't believe everything you see on Youtube or read online... a whole lot of it is BS and a whole lot more of it is old ancient science that has been debunked by modern science, but repeated over and over again by those wishing to become more popular.
Do NOT give only water for 10 days or you deserve what you get... a tiny plant with tiny buds and barely enough product to make all this work worth your time. Do not believe the hype that because you have an Auto, certain special rules apply. Look before you and see a plant. All the normal rules about growing plants apply here. Feed right up to the end. If you have a salt or nute buildup in your medium, having a blockage, then by all means flush the container with 3x the container size of fresh water to wash those salts out..... but please stop calling giving water only for an extended time, flushing. It is not. You are not able to flush a plant. All you are doing is starving her if you do this. Please do not be a plant torturer, there is enough of that already in this world.
Emilya Green
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All this talk about harvesting early is scary...
First off... Trichomes are NOT degrading when they are milky.. .they are still building. They only start to degrade once they become ripe, or amber. Knowing that more will turn amber during the harvest and part of the drying process, most will recommend pulling your crop at 2% amber.
Also please keep in mind that harvesting early, before the final 2 weeks of bud swell, DEFINITELY will affect your yield, not just the overall quality. It is during that last 2 weeks that the buds can oftentimes double or more in both size and weight. As Juan Valdez is known to say about his coffee, pick no bud before its time.
First off... Trichomes are NOT degrading when they are milky.. .they are still building. They only start to degrade once they become ripe, or amber. Knowing that more will turn amber during the harvest and part of the drying process, most will recommend pulling your crop at 2% amber.
Also please keep in mind that harvesting early, before the final 2 weeks of bud swell, DEFINITELY will affect your yield, not just the overall quality. It is during that last 2 weeks that the buds can oftentimes double or more in both size and weight. As Juan Valdez is known to say about his coffee, pick no bud before its time.
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Actually i should change the thread title
I've decided not to flush . I'm just skeptical when to harvest as im still learning.
I just posted recent updates of the babies above few post
Please advise buddy~
Emilya Green
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Please repeat after me... you didn't decide not to flush... you decided not to give only water and starve your plants at the end. A proper flush about now might actually help things.Actually i should change the thread title
I've decided not to flush . I'm just skeptical when to harvest as im still learning.
I just posted recent updates of the babies above few post
Please advise buddy~
no, I agree with the rest... you are not ready to harvest. If you see ANY white pistils at the top of your buds, she is still flowering and building. Be patient. Watch the trichomes instead. Watch for 2% amber in tip top parts of your buds, not on the leaves, but on the calyxes.