EC and PPM's -- how to understand them better

Around the forums here, and any MMJ forums, people throw around "PPM (Pars Per Million)" quite a bit, but I'm not sure everyone realizes that PPM's are not standardized. An Oakton meter and a Hanna meter used to measure the same nutrient solution would report different PPM readings, for example. EC (Electrical Conductivity) is the only truly "universal" measurement standard for total disolved solids, and the PPM readings our meters give us convert that, using a math formula, to PPM's. The problem is that Hanna uses ".5" as the conversion factor, Oakton uses ".7" etc....

This chart sums it up well:
PPM-EC-C6.jpg


The reason I bring this up, is that I plan on running my plants at much lower PPM/EC levels than I used to, and I plan on continuing this into flower. My plants above are currently vegging at .7 EC, or 490 ppm on my Oakton meter. They are showing no signs of deficiency and are growing rapidly.

There is a grower named Heath Robinson who grows single-plant/trees yielding 40z plus per plant, indoors in hydro, using no higher than 1.2 EC in bloom. You read that right, all of it, and no I didn't mean 40 grams. This is my inspiration to run lower PPM's/EC, as I think he's more than proved his point. I took a first step in my last grow, where I rarely went above 1000 ppm on my Oakton meter, or about 750ppm on a Hanna/ 1.5 EC.

All plants are different, and have different feeding needs, so I'll need to watch my plants closely and adjust. What works for others in their environment doesn't always translate...

Sorry if this was boring, but I thought maybe someone would find all this useful -- it's what's occupying my mind at the moment!

I should note that in order to grow plants like that 40z monster, you need much more light than I have! Heath's experiences tell me that nutrient concentration is very secondary to lots and lots of light!!!

If you are interested in seeing a plant like that, Mr. Smith is growing an indoor hydro TREE out of his Dark Star mother that should easily win POTM when he enters it. Check out his excellent Dark Star thread if you get a moment:

Darkstar project - advanced growing

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my meter can read EC so wouldn't it be easier to just read the EC instead of the PPM?
 
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Alaskan1;bt3193 said:
my meter can read EC so wouldn't it be easier to just read the EC instead of the PPM?

Somehow I missed this post originally!

Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether you use the PPM or EC number as long as you understand what it is telling you. I wish everything were in terms of EC so we all could easily speak the same language!
 
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Which setting do you think I should have mine on? How do I know what conversion factor its using. It has so many different settings. should I just leave it on the ppm 442 setting as suggested by the guys at the store?
 
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420ramrod;bt4893 said:
Which setting do you think I should have mine on? How do I know what conversion factor its using. It has so many different settings. should I just leave it on the ppm 442 setting as suggested by the guys at the store?

Hi Ramrod - it's really up to you, honestly. Short answer: I think, yes.

Long answer:

I suppose I'm restating a bit here, but I think this frames it a bit better than I did it above - sorry for repeating myself a bit.

Meter manufacturers then convert the EC to a PPM measurement by applying a conversion percentage. You'd think there would be a more universal standard for this, but there is not. Some meters multiply by ".5", some by ".7" and some others by ".64", etc. 442, as you referred to it, uses ".7".

In Europe, and other parts of the world, they often just use the EC number. But, in the U.S., we seem to prefer PPM's. I use the .7 reading (442). Up to you, but maybe that's a good idea for you, in that you would be speaking the same language if you wanted to ask me questions, etc. Not that you need to ask ME questions, but if you did want to, it's easier to communicate.

BTW, not everybody know's that PPM meters aren't all speaking the same language. Fewer yet know the term "442". If you communicate with someone about your PPM meter, to say it uses ".7" as the conversion rate, will be more likely to make sense to them than 442. No way you would probably know that yet, so I thought I'd give you a heads up. :)

Side note: Comically (to me), some manufacturers use different conversion percents within their own line-up of meters. So, it's not enough, for example, for someone to say "I have a Hanna meter, what's the conversion %?". Most of the time, Hanna meters are .5, but some are .7, and I think they have some .64 meters too (for example).


Hope that helps! X
 
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yes extremely, helpful makes more sense now. I thought I must be skipping the EC setting! LMAO!! really though! I tried to tell those guys at the store, I had no Idea how to use this thing! LOL!!! they gave me a demo but not explain it that easily it makes more sense if you actually know what the thing is doing and at what conversion rate!! you did it again made it all make sense!! :bravo:
 
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